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Old 13th Jun 2023, 14:32
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NutLoose Whilst on the subject of new kit. Have you any idea yet of how well STARSTREAK is performing?
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​​​​​​​"Germany will increase the supply of Leopard 1 tanks to Ukraine" - German Defense Minister Pistorius

"We will not be able to replace every tank that has failed (...), but from July we will increase the supply of Leopard 1 A5," he says
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Originally Posted by DODGYOLDFART
NutLoose Whilst on the subject of new kit. Have you any idea yet of how well STARSTREAK is performing?

Not really, but the Helicopter hit the other day appears to have been struck by one. They did have a couple of the Stormers damaged.

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Russia submitted a bill to parliament pardoning all small and medium crimes of participants of the so-called "SMO".

Both professionals and mobiks will be exempted from criminal prosecution even if the crimes were committed before the law came into force. Those who receive state awards or retired from service will also be exempt.

The Russian army is becoming criminal not only de-facto but also de-jure.



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Putin appears to be hedging his bets on Ukraine not being able to produce its own tanks etc as he destroys their infrastructure, so will eventually run out of arms and have to rely on the West. That is a fine asumption, but the only flaw is the West are supplying and are ramping up production in several cases while parts for his own scrap metal in storage relies on Western items that will get more and more difficult to source. But it may not even get to his point of eutopia as his army may not survive long enough to see some of his wonder weapons Waffle.

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The difference in between the western and Russian kit.
How the crew managed to trigger three AT-mines is beyond me, but glad they survived, and with an experience and now more experienced.


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They have recovered at least one Leo 2

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Ukraine is assessing Australia's F18's to see if they are in good enough shape!


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I shouldn't think there would be any doubt about the condition of Australia's F18s. They would have been well looked after.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Not really, but the Helicopter hit the other day appears to have been struck by one. They did have a couple of the Stormers damaged.



https://twitter.com/_Surovikin_/stat...07720020144145
Ka-52 has the highest ratios of shoot down to number in service. Its been a disaster, and the Krembots are singing its praises.

And 18 manpads, at most $1.8m to shoot down a $35m helicopter. That's good economics especially as 50% of the crew don't survive even with ejection seats. On average it take 10 manpads to take out a helicopter, according to Polish sources.
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Originally Posted by Beamr
The difference in between the western and Russian kit.
How the crew managed to trigger three AT-mines is beyond me, but glad they survived, and with an experience and now more experienced.

https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/...00506141356032
Nobody tell Putin, but the German's are building tanks in Ukraine as a joint venture
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Originally Posted by bugged on the right
I shouldn't think there would be any doubt about the condition of Australia's F18s. They would have been well looked after.
,The trouble is they retired 2021 so may need looking at to get them back to airworthy, seals etc perish.
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Originally Posted by peter we
Ka-52 has the highest ratios of shoot down to number in service. Its been a disaster, and the Krembots are singing its praises.

And 18 manpads, at most $1.8m to shoot down a $35m helicopter. That's good economics especially as 50% of the crew don't survive even with ejection seats. On average it take 10 manpads to take out a helicopter, according to Polish sources.

it depends what was fired at it, I thought it had sensors and countermeasures for various missile systems, however the starstreak is guided so tends to be invulnerable to those. The other 18 could have been a whole gamut of missiles but the starstreak knocked it down.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
,The trouble is they retired 2021 so may need looking at to get them back to airworthy, seals etc perish.
Let us know what we can do to help.
I can make brews and sammiches, but it all helps.
Lets hope they can get them out there fast.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
,The trouble is they retired 2021 so may need looking at to get them back to airworthy, seals etc perish.
as part of the RAVN / Air USA contract, it was stated in the contract the aircraft had to be maintained allow return to flight. So of course they are going to need work but that's the same with any aircraft.

On a general discussion I know someone who worked on these, about 18 were flown in on Dec 20201 and parked. From his time working on them he thinks about 20 could be made combat capable, about a dozen suitable for training and the rest are clapped and suitable for only spares.
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Russian politician Alexander Kolodich stabbed and killed in his mansion in Moscow - reportedly by his “yard worker”….

Kolodich was chairman of the Commettee on Budget, Finance and Tax Policy of the Duma of the Khanti-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, instituted in connection with the sanctions policy of the West.

Plenty of opportunity for sticky fingers - and to get on the wrong side of someone….
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Russia transfers helicopters to Berdiansk

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Putin appears to be hedging his bets on Ukraine not being able to produce its own tanks etc as he destroys their infrastructure, so will eventually run out of arms and have to rely on the West.
Lets hope Putin relies on this assumption. The lessons of the Berlin Airlift and what the West was capable of doing during the first Gulf War seems to be lost in his addled brain. The Russians have only ever fought wars where they have a logistical land bridge and do not understand that the West, since D-Day, have perfected the art and science of logistics.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
it depends what was fired at it, I thought it had sensors and countermeasures for various missile systems, however the starstreak is guided so tends to be invulnerable to those. The other 18 could have been a whole gamut of missiles but the starstreak knocked it down.
The Russians make lots of claims, the fact is 35 have photographic evidence of their destruction. Several have been destroyed by anti tank missiles.
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