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Old 2nd Apr 2024, 12:21
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Germany to fund the purchase of 180,000 artillery shells for Ukraine via the Czech Republic

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Originally Posted by GeeRam
Blimey, just looked at that refinery on Google.....its absolutely huge, covers an area about 6km by 5km ......
But you only need to knock out small vital parts of it to disable a large part of it.
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Better footage of that large drone attack.

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More Russian... erm crap.





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Clearer video - looks very like a Foxbat Microlight

BBC - Ukraine war: Deepest Ukraine drone attack into Russian territory injures 12
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Bollocks... this could be bad.

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Includes video footage of the production line.

Russian sources report that the 12 victims of the drone strike in Yelabuga are students. They were "forcibly" compelled to assemble Shahed drones - Dozhd Russian TV channel

▪️ Students are threatened with expulsion for refusing to work;
▪️ They are paid about 30-40 thousand rubles a month;
▪️ Among the students are citizens of South Sudan, Zimbabwe, Rwanda and Nigeria;
▪️ They have to work 24 hours a day, sometimes without breaks;
▪️ Disclosure of information about production is punishable by a fine of up to 2 million rubles;
▪️ In early 2023, two college students committed suicide.

In the video, Alabuga's CEO flashed the enterprise in one of the news stories a year ago.

InformNapalm, an international intelligence community, reminded Timur Shagivaleev, general director of the Alabuga Special Economic Zone, who claimed that a peaceful dormitory was attacked, how a year ago he demonstrated to local journalists the production of attack drones at this location.

"Today, Shagivaleev is paltering with truth, telling us that a 'student's dormitory was attacked.' Students who have been assembling weapons to kill Ukrainians for a year. So it is important not to be confused about cause-and-effect relationships," InformNapalm analysts noted.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Better footage of that large drone attack.
That reminds me of the Cessna flown from Germany and landing in Red Square; the Russkie air defense repeatedly identified it as a lost Russian friendly. Can't they see something as low and slow as this drone?
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Russia is now having to source fuel supplies from Belarussia, so prices are rising.
Heh, the worm has turned. When this "SMO" began in Feb of 2022, it led to substantial gas price rises where we live ...it took a while for the price to come down.
Payback's a bitch, tovarish.
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Greece to supply artillery shells via the Czech Republic to Ukraine
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Germany to fund the purchase of 180,000 artillery shells for Ukraine via the Czech Republic
Where was this support two years ago?
OK, better late than never.
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Old 2nd Apr 2024, 14:09
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
But you only need to knock out small vital parts of it to disable a large part of it.
Yes, they are going after the vital bits that were supplied by western oil companies, and which they won't be able replace/repair very easily (according to a couple of ex-colleagues that used to work in O&G production design)
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Originally Posted by B Fraser
No, it was a case of returning money to the tax payer where the kit had expired, and there was a friendly market. When Putrid popped his head up, every cupboard was opened for Ukraine. You do know how all of those NLAW systems got there in time to slow the initial advance ?
Nope... disagree, this kit has NOT expired and would have once formed part of the war reserve. Examples.

These vehicles are one of the latest tracked armoured all terrain vehicles on the market today and are in excellent condition with some vehicles been reserve having never been operated

Support, training and spare parts are available to offer the complete package

These are available and offered subject to export licence and end user criteria

A total of 75 units are available ex stock laying at the rocket site, misson Doncaster
https://ljacksonandco.com/product/wa...-vehicles-atv/

Recently released direct from military reserve stores in excellent condition having done only 1,000-5,000 Kilometres.. 10 off
https://ljacksonandco.com/product/pi...trol-vehicles/
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
We ran out of government surplus some time ago and have been raiding the store cupboard for a while now.
So did Vlad...

some point the opportunity to inert timex munitions on Vlad's place will remove the stocks that needed to be turfed. Allowing Vlad to be the recipient of the disposal seems fitting. The difference between Vlad and Vlod is that Vlad attacks civilians and their infrastructure, Vlod is disassembling Vlad's piggy bank and his emperor has no clothes Army, (2 halves of a conscript don't double your forces Vlad) Navy, (the submerged fleet is however expanding still), and Airfarce. The Russian Airfarce has provided x'lent ups killing opportunities for the Ruskie SAM systems, they have got a lot of kills, not all of which are of their own side unfortunately. Still, it follows the tradition of shooting down Korean Airlines, twice, Malaysian Airlines, once... and not a few of their own tactical forces. A kill is a kill.
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More Russian... erm crap.

Our rivers and therefore sometimes consequently, many streets are nothing to write home about.
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Nope... disagree, this kit has NOT expired and would have once formed part of the war reserve.
I was talking specifically about kit that was perfectly serviceable but had expired. You will be well aware of the shelf life of "energetics" as a case in point.

The rather specialist vehicles in your links may neither be suitable nor wanted in Ukraine. See also for example.... Australia to lease five H135s from UK for Black Hawk pilot training | News | Flight Global

Perhaps we can discuss in 25 years time.
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AeroPrakt A-22 modified to use as a drone, Nice one!

I hope they are able to build them a bit more quickly than I managed a few years ago, about 9 months of my spare time. I would be interested to know how much weight of explosives was carried and how much fuel as the airframe started as a 450kg MTOW microlight or a 475kg MTOW GA aircraft with an empty weight of about 260kg.. Later varients had a revised wing skin and could be flown at 600kg. These weights are fixed by the UK regs. It is entirely possible that the structure has been beefed up or more relaxed regs apply for drones!

Still, despite hating to see a perfectly good aircraft being deliberately destroyed I still think it is brilliant in this case.

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Another 1.2 million artillery shells for Ukraine?

At the latest UDCG meeting, Estonia informed the coalition that they have identified €2 billion-€3 billion worth of artillery ammunition available on the global market *in addition* to the ammo sourced by Czechia.

🇪🇪 Minister of Defense Hanno Pevkur tells newspaper Postimees that deliveries could begin in 2 months if funding is secured. The available ammunition includes 122mm Grad rockets, and 122mm, 152mm & 155mm shells.

How many shells this would translate to depends on the price. Postimees put the average global unit price at €2500, which is reasonable given the Czech estimate of €3 billion being required for 1.5 million shells, for a unit price of €2000.

The Estonian initiative could therefore source between 800,000 and 1,200,000 shells.

With the Czech initiative still not fully funded though, according to public information, it is imperative that the European Peace Facility's Ukraine Assistance Fund be tapped to finance these procurements. Ukraine can't wait for this ammunition.
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BREAKING:

​​​​​​​New law in Romanian parliament - the military will come to aid Romanian citizens abroad which find themselves in danger.

(In Moldova 53% have Romanian citizenship, including all the government & the president)

The risk of messing around with Moldova changed today…..
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Originally Posted by rans6andrew
AeroPrakt A-22 modified to use as a drone, Nice one!

I hope they are able to build them a bit more quickly than I managed a few years ago, about 9 months of my spare time. I would be interested to know how much weight of explosives was carried and how much fuel as the airframe started as a 450kg MTOW microlight or a 475kg MTOW GA aircraft with an empty weight of about 260kg.. Later varients had a revised wing skin and could be flown at 600kg. These weights are fixed by the UK regs. It is entirely possible that the structure has been beefed up or more relaxed regs apply for drones!

Still, despite hating to see a perfectly good aircraft being deliberately destroyed I still think it is brilliant in this case.

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I think it was the company that built one to hit a target early in the war, they experimented and had sorted a remote to fly it, but another method was found to hit the target, so it wasn’t at the time pursued. The 600kg version has a range of about 520 nautical miles, but extra tankage could increase that.
You can also ditch the stuff such as instruments, the alternator, use a different battery to power the guidance, ditch the seats, harnesses, interior trim, lights and wiring etc to reduce the weight and then add a payload
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Originally Posted by B Fraser
I was talking specifically about kit that was perfectly serviceable but had expired. You will be well aware of the shelf life of "energetics" as a case in point.

The rather specialist vehicles in your links may neither be suitable nor wanted in Ukraine. See also for example.... Australia to lease five H135s from UK for Black Hawk pilot training | News | Flight Global

Perhaps we can discuss in 25 years time.
THE H135 are brand new, purchased to replace the NI Gazelle's, but things changed and they became surplus to requirements. Ukraine IS operating a lot of the Warthogs, so they are in demand, especially in mud season.
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New law in Romanian parliament - the military will come to aid Romanian citizens abroad which find themselves in danger.
My goodness, Vlad ought to be very supportive of this initiative, it's right out of his rhetoric.
(In Moldova 53% have Romanian citizenship, including all the government & the president). The risk of messing around with Moldova changed today…..
Interesting move, and perhaps it is a preemptive one. Keep an eye on this.
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