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Old 8th Mar 2024, 12:07
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So, worded simply: "We have ****** up with our three-day blitzkrieg against Kyiv and had to withdraw from entire north Ukraine following severe losses and a complete failure of the 'special military operation' - but you nonetheless have to roll over, admit a humiliating defeat, render yourselves almost totally defenseless before Russia, stay away from NATO and any military cooperation with any Western nations, never get any Western weapons to defend yourself, govern your sovereign nation the way we tell you, and that goes with formal 'security guarantees' under which not a single 'guarantor' will ever go to war for Ukraine.

Meanwhile, we'll give you absolutely nothing in return - neither Crimea nor Donbas, no indemnities for ruined cities and mass graves, not even formal 'assurances' of non-aggression - it's not that we spent a year and a half amassing 180,000 troops against Ukraine and lying through our teeth -- only to eventually unleash a grand war under the dumbest, the flimsiest, and the most ridiculously false pretexts ever. And, of course, be sure that it won't take much time for us to AGAIN wipe up our ass with this worthless piece of paper, so we'll recover from the initial shock of the failure, fix our mistakes, and invade Ukraine again (because you failed to speak Russian loud enough in your courts of justice!), with far greater success -- because you morons were seriously thinking we'd give you 'PEACE' if you just leave Ukraine defenseless and us totally free to try again." Here's your 'peace treaty' that Vladimir Putin was willing to give.

And, of course, this draft is dated April 15, 2022 - the days when Russia had generally completed regrouping to launch a new major offensive in Ukraine's east. As you probably remember, we were only counting the days to when it began. The war's new phase, the nightmarish Battle of Donbas, was launched in full scale as soon as April 17-18, 2022. Russia never wanted any 'peace' with Ukraine unless it was about a total Ukrainian surrender and its demise as an independent nation. Following the unexpected failure at Kyiv, Sumy, Chernihiv, Kharkiv, it tried to take a break as the 'special military operation' had gone off the rails. Yet, the Kremlin's primal goal made it impossible for Russia to issue at least remotely acceptable terms of peace & co-existence with Ukraine. No matter what Ukraine would offer as 'concessions' or provisions for reaching a 'middle ground' to stop the war -- Moscow could offer nothing but 'Surrender, render yourselves defenseless, make things easy for us next time soon."

Russia had to narrow down its goals against Ukraine and switch from the failed 'special military operation' to a full-scale, protracted war on Ukraine that is now entering its third year. And all this blood and horror is for the sake of the megalomanic ego and lust for power of just a handful of old KGB bureaucrats who would rather kill millions of people in a senseless criminal war than admit their failure.
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Taganrog is the airbase where an A-50 was identified as being located.

Yesterday, 🇺🇦Ukrainian air defense systems worked at a distance of 150 kilometers against 🇷🇺Russian planes, the results are being clarified, - Ukrainian Air Force Commander Oleschuk
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More on the A-50’s

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What a stunning choice of a backdrop to get your point across at a press conference, but I feel they are going to need a sh*t load more bricks than that pallet full.

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REF #9166,a`swarm of `Bees` would find that a nice resting place.....
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Pretty amazing, Dune2 was shot with Ukrainian made lenses,

Ukrainian lenses were selected from thousands of options. Their development began in 2021. Prototypes were created in early 2022, and the outbreak of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine did not stop the team. Some members even contributed to the work remotely from the trenches.


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Over 40 drones attacked the airfield. At night there was a drone attack on Taganrog, Russia. The attack was most likely carried out on an airport/factory where a Russian A-50 had previously been spotted. A-50 was spotted on the satellite imagery published by @cxemu and appeared on the airfield between 28-29th of February 2024.

Interesting details about the UAVs that attacked Taganrog in the Russian part of the special military operation zone last night. Appear to be similar to Shaheds. Difficult to intercept.


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The drone attack on Taganrog appears to have targeted a hangar. The roof of the hangar is black. 47.19963181328316, 38.86614928388167
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​​​​​​​I wonder if they were aiming for -50 after all?At least the back side of the chimney of 47.200143907043916, 38.876991398427684 was attacked.

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More on the airfield.


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"We cannot talk about certain things, taking into account the agreement with our partners, but believe me, planes will continue to fall and with no less intensity", — Danilov
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The 🇬🇧British Foreign Minister David Cameron said that London is ready to help 🇩🇪Berlin solve the problem with the supply of Taurus missiles to 🇺🇦Ukraine.

The proposed solution involves the delivery of Taurus cruise missiles by Germany to Great Britain, and in return, London will provide Ukraine with additional Storm Shadow missiles.

This proposal is a response to German Chancellor Olaf Scholz's refusal to directly supply missiles to Ukraine.

Source: https://www.sueddeutsche.de/projekte...srael-e095522/
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Visually identified losses yesterday. Looks good for Ukraine, but somewhere they lost a Mig-29…



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Bovington Tank Museum in the UK helping out Ukraine.

https://www.twz.com/news-features/li...armor-on-track
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I do wonder if the German Airforce Officers knowingly spoke openly on an insecure line. Surmising that the Russians would spout off about it as a coup for their intelligence systems.
Meanwhile the Luftwaffe Officers were able to galvanise the Government into doing something with the Taurus Missiles, show the Government that they are chronically underfunded as they have no secure conference comms - and pointing out the threat that Russia is listening and is a clear and present danger.

As the UK is living rent free in the Russian psyche, then inferring there are members of the Regiment will have Vlad and his pnumpties looking over their shoulders even more.
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Ukrainian drone raid targeted the Beriev aviation plant, located in Taganrog. The plant was in the process of repairing an A-50 AEW&C aircraft of the Russian Air Force.

Ukrainian People's Deputy Goncharenko stated that the target of the attack was the Beriev A-50 AEW&C. He added that the aircraft was successfully struck and destroyed during the operation.

​​​​​​​Unit cost estimated at $330,000,000.
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Ukraine's newly built defence lines in the Zaporizhzhia region.

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Not only is Armenia wanting rid of their Russian “ peacekeepers” they now are looking at joining the EU! That is showing how much Russias sphere of influence is crumbling

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Another TWO Patriot systems destroyed? Are they having to compromise their positions to make up for the lack of 155mm rounds? Or are they fake?

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Another TWO Patriot systems destroyed? Are they having to compromise their positions to make up for the lack of 155mm rounds? Or are they fake?



https://twitter.com/GloOouD/status/1766445017046904864
Could be fake but most likely Russia is learning. The longer this war continues the stronger they grow. That's why it's important to bring it to a close as soon as possible. Before the West gets bored and Russia captures yet more ground.
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Just putting some of the recent numbers into context.



The sources are below. Note that the relative population comparisons should be treated very cautiously. Many Russians and Ukranians are now abroad. Also many Ukrainian nationals are in occupied territories. It is hard to be sure of accurate numbers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68397525
https://kyivindependent.com/general-...ps-in-ukraine/
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/general-st...-enemy-losses/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine
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