Ukraine War Thread Part 2
Murder of 9 surrendered Ukrainian soldiers who they had lying down by their trench having surrendered….
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status...09220167454841
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status...09220167454841
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Robotyne, normally I would expect to see arty dealing with the likes of the BMP’s
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
The Pentagon gave Ukraine at least one Integrated Air and Missile Defense (IAMD) Battle Command System (IBCS) Engagement Operations Center (EOC).
This is huge.
IBCS connects sensors and effectors never designed to work together into one command and control system, so air defense commanders can see and act on data across the entire battlefield more swiftly and use their shooters more efficiently.
This is the most modern air defense command and control system on the planet.
This is huge.
IBCS connects sensors and effectors never designed to work together into one command and control system, so air defense commanders can see and act on data across the entire battlefield more swiftly and use their shooters more efficiently.
This is the most modern air defense command and control system on the planet.
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Why eco-friendly military kit...isn't:
"Weaponry systems in Ukraine, many of which were supplied by European countries, have been rendered unworkable, not due to Russian interference, but because of damage caused by mice and other rodents.
Seemingly, these creatures have developed a preference for cable insulation made of corn fiber over synthetic materials. This predilection leads to malfunctioning electrical installations, rendering the expensive
https://essanews.com/rodents-incapac...9091736315521a
Rodents incapacitate millions in eco-friendly military equipment in Ukraine: the unforeseen problem
"Weaponry systems in Ukraine, many of which were supplied by European countries, have been rendered unworkable, not due to Russian interference, but because of damage caused by mice and other rodents.
Seemingly, these creatures have developed a preference for cable insulation made of corn fiber over synthetic materials. This predilection leads to malfunctioning electrical installations, rendering the expensive
https://essanews.com/rodents-incapac...9091736315521a
Rodents incapacitate millions in eco-friendly military equipment in Ukraine: the unforeseen problem
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31 000 Ukrainian soldiers killed in this war.
At a presidential press-conference today, Zelensky quoted a figure of 31 000 soldiers killed in the two years since the war began. This is the first time an official figure has been given by the Ukrainian side.
16.47 Uhr: Der ukrainische Präsident Wolodymyr Selenskyj hat die Zahl der bisher infolge des russischen Angriffskriegs getöteten Soldaten seiner Streitkräfte mit 31.000 angegeben. Die von Selenskyj am Sonntag bei einer Pressekonferenz angeführte Zahl ist die erste offizielle Nennung von Opferzahlen des Militärs im nunmehr zwei Jahren andauernden Krieg gegen die russischen Invasoren.
https://m.focus.de/politik/ausland/u..._57275780.html
16.47 Uhr: Der ukrainische Präsident Wolodymyr Selenskyj hat die Zahl der bisher infolge des russischen Angriffskriegs getöteten Soldaten seiner Streitkräfte mit 31.000 angegeben. Die von Selenskyj am Sonntag bei einer Pressekonferenz angeführte Zahl ist die erste offizielle Nennung von Opferzahlen des Militärs im nunmehr zwei Jahren andauernden Krieg gegen die russischen Invasoren.
https://m.focus.de/politik/ausland/u..._57275780.html
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At a presidential press-conference today, Zelensky quoted a figure of 31 000 soldiers killed in the two years since the war began. This is the first time an official figure has been given by the Ukrainian side.
16.47 Uhr: Der ukrainische Präsident Wolodymyr Selenskyj hat die Zahl der bisher infolge des russischen Angriffskriegs getöteten Soldaten seiner Streitkräfte mit 31.000 angegeben. Die von Selenskyj am Sonntag bei einer Pressekonferenz angeführte Zahl ist die erste offizielle Nennung von Opferzahlen des Militärs im nunmehr zwei Jahren andauernden Krieg gegen die russischen Invasoren.
https://m.focus.de/politik/ausland/u..._57275780.html
16.47 Uhr: Der ukrainische Präsident Wolodymyr Selenskyj hat die Zahl der bisher infolge des russischen Angriffskriegs getöteten Soldaten seiner Streitkräfte mit 31.000 angegeben. Die von Selenskyj am Sonntag bei einer Pressekonferenz angeführte Zahl ist die erste offizielle Nennung von Opferzahlen des Militärs im nunmehr zwei Jahren andauernden Krieg gegen die russischen Invasoren.
https://m.focus.de/politik/ausland/u..._57275780.html
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2024/02...ssian-soldiers
Seems like the ratio is roughly between 2 and 3:1. Not good enough for Ukraine.
Russian losses:
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2024/02...ssian-soldiers
Seems like the ratio is roughly between 2 and 3:1. Not good enough for Ukraine.
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2024/02...ssian-soldiers
Seems like the ratio is roughly between 2 and 3:1. Not good enough for Ukraine.
The decision to negotiate and come to an agreement with russia has already been made. Now it's mainstream medias role to convince the public (and dissenting elites) to this new reality, hence Quincy Institute of Responsible Statecraft being given prominence everywhere. (Politico, Guardian, Time, Wapo etc)
https://time.com/6695261/ukraine-forever-war-danger/
That figure always included the wounded and not just KIA.
The Biden Administration’s strategy is now to sustain Ukrainian defense until after the U.S. presidential elections, in the hope of wearing down Russian forces in a long war of attrition. This strategy seems sensible enough, but contains one crucially important implication and one potentially disastrous flaw, which are not yet being seriously addressed in public debates in the West or Ukraine. The implication of Ukraine standing indefinitely on the defensive—even if it does so successfully—is that the territories currently occupied by Russia are lost.
As I found in Ukraine last year, many Ukrainians in private were prepared to accept the loss of some territories as the price of peace if Ukraine failed to win them back on the battlefield and if the alternative was years of bloody war with little prospect of success.
A successful peace process would undoubtedly involve some painful concessions by Ukraine and the West. Yet the pain would be more emotional than practical, and a peace settlement would have to involve Putin giving up the plan with which he began the war, to turn the whole of Ukraine into a Russian vassal state, and recognizing the territorial integrity of Ukraine within its de facto present borders.
That figure always included the wounded and not just KIA.
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The decision to negotiate and come to an agreement with russia has already been made. Now it's mainstream medias role to convince the public (and dissenting elites) to this new reality, hence Quincy Institute of Responsible Statecraft being given prominence everywhere. (Politico, Guardian, Time, Wapo etc)
https://time.com/6695261/ukraine-forever-war-danger/
That figure always included the wounded and not just KIA.
https://time.com/6695261/ukraine-forever-war-danger/
That figure always included the wounded and not just KIA.
EDIT: Who has made this decision to negotiate that you boldly proclaim - apart from yourself that is?
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According to the new study, the Russian death toll has jumped to 66,000-88,000 as of December 31st 2023. That estimate falls within the range of recent tallies by Western intelligence agencies: the latest estimate by Britain’s Ministry of Defence stood at 70,000. Officials in America think it could be as high as 120,000 (see chart 1).
A declassified U.S. intelligence report assessed that the Ukraine war has cost Russia 315,000 dead and injured troops,
Wouldn't be surprised that Kiev Independent omitted the injured part.
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BZZZT! BZZZT! Logical Fallacy detected!
Appeal to ridicule.
Appeal to ridicule.
Appeal to ridicule is often found in the form of comparing a multi-layered circumstance or argument to a laughably commonplace event or to another irrelevant thing. This is a rhetorical tactic that mocks an opponent's argument or position, attempting to inspire a strong emotional reaction (making it a type of appeal to emotion) and to highlight any counter-intuitive aspects of that argument, making it appear foolish and contrary to common sense. This is typically done by mocking the argument's representative foundation in an uncharitable and oversimplified way. The person using the tactic is often sarcastic in their argument.
What's the plan for the coming months? Make RU pay dearly for every meter of Ukrainian land?
All this peace talk now plays into Vlad's hand.
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Zelensky says the counter offensive plans were leaked to the Russians.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...1f47664d&ei=55
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky suggested on Sunday that plans for Kyiv’s long-awaited counteroffensive last year had been leaked to Russia ahead of time.
Ukraine’s counteroffensive in 2023, powered by billions of dollars in Western arms, largely fell flat, failing to break through multiple lines of Russian defences and fortifications.
“Our counteroffensive action plans were on the Kremlin’s table before the counteroffensive actions began,” Zelensky said Sunday at a press conference in Kyiv.
His office subsequently confirmed to AFP that Zelensky was referring to Moscow obtaining sensitive military planning information.
Zelensky did not provide any other details on the leak.
He went on to say that Kyiv was preparing “several” versions of its battlefield strategy for 2024 to help avoid a repeat.
Asked whether Ukraine had plans for another attempt at a counteroffensive this year, he said: “We have a plan, a clear plan. Several plans will be prepared because of information leaks.”
Russian forces are now back on the advance across eastern Ukraine, having captured the symbolic frontline town of Avdiivka and seeking to press their advantage in ammunition and manpower.
Ukraine’s counteroffensive in 2023, powered by billions of dollars in Western arms, largely fell flat, failing to break through multiple lines of Russian defences and fortifications.
“Our counteroffensive action plans were on the Kremlin’s table before the counteroffensive actions began,” Zelensky said Sunday at a press conference in Kyiv.
His office subsequently confirmed to AFP that Zelensky was referring to Moscow obtaining sensitive military planning information.
Zelensky did not provide any other details on the leak.
He went on to say that Kyiv was preparing “several” versions of its battlefield strategy for 2024 to help avoid a repeat.
Asked whether Ukraine had plans for another attempt at a counteroffensive this year, he said: “We have a plan, a clear plan. Several plans will be prepared because of information leaks.”
Russian forces are now back on the advance across eastern Ukraine, having captured the symbolic frontline town of Avdiivka and seeking to press their advantage in ammunition and manpower.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...1f47664d&ei=55
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
James Heappey, the Minister of State for the Armed Forces, provided the response on 29th January 2024, detailing the estimated losses sustained by the Russian military:
“We estimate that approximately 350,000 Russian military personnel have been killed or wounded since the start of the conflict.
US estimates are that Russian KIA/WIA ratio is 1:3 due to the lack of battlefield medical care and evacuation, compared to 1:6 or 8 for the Ukrainians.
That comes out as about 90,000 Russian dead and 260,000 wounded - most of whom will be amputees
“We estimate that approximately 350,000 Russian military personnel have been killed or wounded since the start of the conflict.
US estimates are that Russian KIA/WIA ratio is 1:3 due to the lack of battlefield medical care and evacuation, compared to 1:6 or 8 for the Ukrainians.
That comes out as about 90,000 Russian dead and 260,000 wounded - most of whom will be amputees
Heard a sobering stat the other day, that the Russians lost more dead and wounded over three months fighting in and around Avdiivka than the Soviets lost in Afghanistan. I understand that the Russian/Soviet ability to take losses is legendary, but surely this isn't sustainable for them.