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Old 31st Jan 2024, 22:43
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Probably to hide the fact, if they are seen to be blatantly shipping direct to Russia, Countries may well put embargo’s on Chinese goods, so shipping it indirectly they can always claim whatever the cargo is it was destined for Belarus and who can prove otherwise.
Easier to land stuff overtly where it is not needed than covertly where it is? Could the cargo not just be for Belarus in the first place?
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True…

More info about some of the other Crimean hits, the Took out a GRU Military Intelligence training facility.

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Russian troops pick on a Wagnerite and beat him near to death with rifle butts and leave him to die, then who should turn up but a bunch of Wagnerites who proceed to extract justice on those involved.. nice to see the bullies on the receiving end and a win win for Ukraine if it takes Russians out of the equation. A lot of extreme violence against the Soldier.

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Russian troops pick on a Wagnerite and beat him near to death with rifle butts and leave him to die, then who should turn up but a bunch of Wagnerites who proceed to extract justice on those involved.. nice to see the bullies on the receiving end and a win win for Ukraine if it takes Russians out of the equation. A lot of extreme violence against the Soldier.



https://twitter.com/igorsushko/statu...93268944052335
That looks like an old video, as it is certainly not winter.
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Ukrainian drones systematically take out a Russian column. It really does show that tanks have had their time or at least until they find an effective way counteract the threat of drones.

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207 Ukrainians come home

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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Russian troops pick on a Wagnerite and beat him near to death with rifle butts and leave him to die, then who should turn up but a bunch of Wagnerites who proceed to extract justice on those involved.. nice to see the bullies on the receiving end and a win win for Ukraine if it takes Russians out of the equation. A lot of extreme violence against the Soldier.



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The term "soldier" is loosely applied here, and is an insult to all those that have served. Both sides here are thugs. Beating up each other is a good use of their spare time.

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Ukrainian drones systematically take out a Russian column. It really does show that tanks have had their time or at least until they find an effective way counteract the threat of drones.

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1752840118065631332
The thing about combined arms warfare is that you need to work with your air and air defense assets to have some air cover.
Yeah, it's hard, but it's necessary.
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Ukrainian drones systematically take out a Russian column. It really does show that tanks have had their time or at least until they find an effective way counteract the threat of drones.



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If it's that 'easy' to take out a tank, how are any even left on the battle field? Are these drone attacks, or anti-tank or himars rounds guided by drone locations? How much of this is propaganda footage? If this is an actual depiction of tank and armored personnel vehicle survival then..... damn. Guess I'm not volunteering for the Russian tank corp..... Joke.
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Interesting you don't see turret tossing now.
I guess the armed FPV drones cause a different type of damage cf earlier ATGW's.
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This war is another lesson is how important it is to have air superiority (even if only locally) on the modern battlefield.
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​​​​​​​US Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuland confirmed that US supplied GLSDB are already on its way to the front.

"The US continues to provide Ukraine with support, including new investments, new weapons systems, such as Small Diameter Bombs (GLSDB) which are already going to the front," she said during a briefing.
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More on the US-Greek deal

Ukraine War Thread Part 2

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Joe Biden Is Arming Greece So Greece Can Arm Ukraine—And Pro-Russia Republicans Can’t Stop Him

As the Republican Party’s blockade of aid to Ukraine drags into its fourth month, the U.S. government under Pres. Joe Biden has found a clever new way to give Ukraine’s forces the weapons and ammunition they need to defend their country.

It is, in essence, an American version of Germany’s circular weapons trade—the so-called Ringtausch. The United States is gifting older surplus weapons to Greece with the understanding that Greece donates to Ukraine some of its own surplus weapons.Greek media broke the news last week.

According to the newspaper Kathimerini and other media, the Biden administration offered the Greek government three 87-foot Protector-class patrol boats, two Lockheed Martin C-130H airlifters, 10 Allison T56 turboprop engines for Lockheed P-3 patrol planes plus 60 M-2 Bradley fighting vehicles and a consignment of transport trucks.

All this hardware is U.S. military surplus—and is available to Greece, free of charge, under a U.S. legal authority called “excess defense articles.” Federal law allows an American president to declare military systems surplus to need, assign them a value—potentially zero dollars—and give them away on the condition that the recipient transport them.

The law caps annual EDA transfers at $500 million. The same law doesn’t dictate the value the president assigns to surplus weapons. In a letter to Greek prime minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken described the ships, planes, engines and vehicles as “free concessions.”

The EDA gifts to Greece sweeten a larger arms package that includes 40 Lockheed F-35 stealth fighters, which Greece is buying for $8.6 billion. The Biden administration previously approved, in 2022 and 2023, $60 million in financing for arms-purchases by Athens.

In exchange for this largess, the Americans want the Greeks to donate more weapons to the Ukrainians. “We continue to be interested in the defense capabilities that Greece could transfer or sell to Ukraine,” Blinken wrote.

The Americans even offered a reward once the donation is complete. “If these capabilities are of interest to Ukraine, and pending an assessment of their status and value by the U.S. government, we can explore opportunities for possible additional foreign armed forces financing of up to $200 million for Greece.”

The Greek military operates, or holds in storage, an array of Soviet- and U.S.-designed weaponry that would be of immediate value to the Ukrainian military—in particular, S-300 and Hawk long-range air-defense batteries, Tor and Osa short-range air-defense vehicles and ZU-23-2 air-defense guns. Also: ammunition for all these systems.

Some or all of those weapons could be heading to Ukraine. “Political and military leadership has already given the necessary directions so that obsolete systems and equipment that are no longer used by the Greek army are transferred to Ukraine,” Kathimerini reported…..
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"The AFU appears to have sunk the Russian Navy pr. 12411 Tarantul Class Corvette "Ivanovets" with multiple marine drone strikes on the night of January 31 to February 1 in western Crimea. Stunning images of the boat sinking! "


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WoW...... film of the attack and sinking, it appears she lost propulsion early on then was a sitting duck.


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This is the vessel in question. Crew 40, incl 5 officers



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Payback time.
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Meanwhile back in Russia... how to tick tock in one quick lesson..

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ALL READ

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This is the vessel in question. Crew 40, incl 5 officers


Surprised that the AK-630s were so ineffective, and the AK-176 3" main gun was fore n' aft for the whole event. The main gun can be depressed to -15 degrees which would take the cap rails off the hull, seems she was not well prep[ared for her big out. Looks like the Kh-35's or whatever else they are stuffing down the rocket tubes there detonated along the way, would have needed good ear plugs for that. AK-630's are supposed to be a competent CIWS,maybe just a bad day out.

Not much as a diving attraction.

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