Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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They are reporting who carried out the raids in Russia.
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More on the sunken ships to protect the bridge. Russian post?
They're back:
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More on those Swiss Leopards. They would have been worth more as scrap than the $14,133 paid for 25!
That’s £447.57 each at todays exchange rate.
Scrap steel is approximately £270 per tonne and a Leo one weighs in at about 40 Tonnes!
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/busines...raine/48764992
That’s £447.57 each at todays exchange rate.
Scrap steel is approximately £270 per tonne and a Leo one weighs in at about 40 Tonnes!
In 2019, Ruag sold 25 Leopard 1 tanks to a Bavarian company, Global Logistics Support GmbH (GLS). The company only paid around CHF 12,500 ($14,133) for these 25 tanks, a unit price of CHF 500.
It was precisely these tanks that the government-owned armaments group wanted, until recently, to send indirectly to Ukraine by selling them to another German company, Rheinmetall, which the Swiss Federal Council refused two months ago.
Fabien Fivaz, a Green Party parliamentarian and member of the Security Policy Committee, is astonished: "What surprises me most is that Ruag is not aware that, at the time they signed a contract with Rheinmetall for all the tanks, 25 had already been sold.
On the political right, questions are being asked about Ruag's management. Olivier Français, senator and member of the Radical Party, responded on Swiss public television RTS on Saturday:
"Clearly, there is a problem with governance, and this can be traced all the way back to the Board of Directors, because it is very clear that these weapons of war cannot be sold without going through a certain process. So there is a very, very serious malaise within Ruag".
On the left, there are already calls for greater political control of Ruag. Pierre-Alain Fridez, Social Democrat and parliamentarian, believes that "politicians should have a much clearer, much more precise view of this company's actions".
Charles Juillard, of the Centre Party and a member of the senate’s Management Committee, warned that "Ruag will have to explain itself to the Committee, the Department will have to explain itself and, secondarily, the Federal Council will have to explain itself in relation to the objectives it has set".
According to the Tages-Anzeiger, GLS had only notified Ruag of its ownership rights to the 25 Leopards through a law firm last week. Ruag's Board of Directors therefore called a special meeting last Sunday. The board decided to open an investigation into the events.
It was precisely these tanks that the government-owned armaments group wanted, until recently, to send indirectly to Ukraine by selling them to another German company, Rheinmetall, which the Swiss Federal Council refused two months ago.
External investigation opened
Last Monday, the head of the Swiss Armed Forces, Viola Amherd, announced an external investigation into the sale, but the revelations of the Tages-Anzeiger investigation published on Saturday have taken the political world by surprise.Fabien Fivaz, a Green Party parliamentarian and member of the Security Policy Committee, is astonished: "What surprises me most is that Ruag is not aware that, at the time they signed a contract with Rheinmetall for all the tanks, 25 had already been sold.
Tanks for peanuts
Another surprise was that Ruag sold the 25 tanks for CHF500 each, whereas the Swiss company had bought them for more than CHF43,000 each three years earlier. A "bad deal", ran the headline in the Tages-Anzeiger.On the political right, questions are being asked about Ruag's management. Olivier Français, senator and member of the Radical Party, responded on Swiss public television RTS on Saturday:
"Clearly, there is a problem with governance, and this can be traced all the way back to the Board of Directors, because it is very clear that these weapons of war cannot be sold without going through a certain process. So there is a very, very serious malaise within Ruag".
On the left, there are already calls for greater political control of Ruag. Pierre-Alain Fridez, Social Democrat and parliamentarian, believes that "politicians should have a much clearer, much more precise view of this company's actions".
Charles Juillard, of the Centre Party and a member of the senate’s Management Committee, warned that "Ruag will have to explain itself to the Committee, the Department will have to explain itself and, secondarily, the Federal Council will have to explain itself in relation to the objectives it has set".
GLS claims its tanks
GLS did not react to the last-minute requests from the Tages-Anzeiger. It did, however, send a press release to the newspaper in which it stressed its right to 25 of the tanks parked in northern Italy.According to the Tages-Anzeiger, GLS had only notified Ruag of its ownership rights to the 25 Leopards through a law firm last week. Ruag's Board of Directors therefore called a special meeting last Sunday. The board decided to open an investigation into the events.
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To misquote Newt from Aliens, We'd better get back, 'cause it'll be dark soon, and they mostly come at night... mostly.
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I guess the air defence radars, doesn't detect cardboard too well.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/21035
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/21035
Australian High-Tech Cardboard Drones 'Used in Spectacular Strike on Russian Airfield'
Trucker: "nothing special just cardboard bound for Moscow.."
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ng-six-reports
Two Ukrainian Mi-8 Helicopters Crash, Killing Six: Reports
The cause of the crash, which happened Tuesday near Bakhmut, is unknown and under criminal investigation according to reports.
Two Ukrainian Mi-8 Helicopters Crash, Killing Six: Reports
The cause of the crash, which happened Tuesday near Bakhmut, is unknown and under criminal investigation according to reports.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Only thing I’d question here is his assumption infantry loses are equal on both sides.
Estimates I’ve seen are that, even with Ukraine being on the offensive, Russian loses outnumber their’s around 5 to 1 due to their tactics of throwing conscripts en masse in attempts to retake lost ground without IFVs, armour or artillery support and the lack of any effective frontline casualty treatment or evacuation system.
I have also previously linked to Russian reports that Russian formations are now often lead by privates rather JOs etc..
Russian military blogger in Donbas, Murz describes Ukrainian vs Russian junior and mid-level officer losses and how Ukraine is far better at preventing them by keeping them away from the frontline. This isn't being resolved and the effect is accumulating.
Super long post, the source can be found here: https://t.me/wehearfromyanina/2553
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Estimates I’ve seen are that, even with Ukraine being on the offensive, Russian loses outnumber their’s around 5 to 1 due to their tactics of throwing conscripts en masse in attempts to retake lost ground without IFVs, armour or artillery support and the lack of any effective frontline casualty treatment or evacuation system.
I have also previously linked to Russian reports that Russian formations are now often lead by privates rather JOs etc..
Russian military blogger in Donbas, Murz describes Ukrainian vs Russian junior and mid-level officer losses and how Ukraine is far better at preventing them by keeping them away from the frontline. This isn't being resolved and the effect is accumulating.
Super long post, the source can be found here: https://t.me/wehearfromyanina/2553
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...635820840.html
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More drones over Bryansk in daylight.
one of these
When gaming goes to war, you are looking at the Thrustmaster Hotas gaming set up which is an A10 dual throttle and F-16 stick system mounted into the control panel, retails about £500. I have one of those lol. Keep it simple, keep it cheap, reliable and made of metal.
one of these
When gaming goes to war, you are looking at the Thrustmaster Hotas gaming set up which is an A10 dual throttle and F-16 stick system mounted into the control panel, retails about £500. I have one of those lol. Keep it simple, keep it cheap, reliable and made of metal.
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For those that were doubting the advantages the F-16 will bring to the party, a long video showing the advantages of both aircraft and weapons systems over their existing fleets and against the threats it will encounter.
It is as said it is quite long, but it is filled with information and details that can show those querying why the F-16 the advantages it brings to the theatre.
It is as said it is quite long, but it is filled with information and details that can show those querying why the F-16 the advantages it brings to the theatre.
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It's sadly plug and play, not bluetooth, you want something like a playstation controller for that.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/thrus...t%20Simulators
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Recent drone strikes into Russia and occupied territories based on this years figures.
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Trailer for Sean Penn's documentary Superpower about Zelensky and the struggle of the Ukrainian people.
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