Ukraine War Thread Part 2
You'd presumably land vertically if you could. Looks to me like the pilot of this one couldn't even kick off all the drift; who knows what state the aircraft (or even the pilot) were in?
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
An ongoing corruption scandal over the construction in 2014 of Russia's National Defence Control Centre appears to have reached the senior leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defence. Deputy Defence Minister Ruslan Tsalikov has reportedly been questioned by investigators. ⬇️
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Graphic - scenes of death, limb loss and other trauma. Poor guys
"Ukrainian army enters minefield in Bakhmut Counteroffensive"
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...eb2x&context=3
"Ukrainian army enters minefield in Bakhmut Counteroffensive"
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...eb2x&context=3
That was just so tragic and sad to watch, such a waste of fine young men... WTF did they not use the protection of the Bradley and reverse up to them instead of trying to walk over the heavily mined ground is beyond me.
DPICM for Ukraine
About three months ago, the question was raised about why DPICM/Cluster munitions were not provided to Ukraine for their artillery.
Ukraine has done their risk assessment of having to deal with unexploded ordnance. Given the amount of artillery already let loose in that country, it becomes just one more thing to deal with during post conflict ops.
The US Senate sent a letter on this topic to the President and Sec Def in March.
03-21-23_dpicm_letter.pdf (senate.gov)
There is apparently support from both sides of the aisle on this.
As pointed out here, none of the nations who border Russia have signed on to the "cluster munitions ban" that some nations have self imposed on themselves.
The linked article.(for those who'd like to read the long version of this tactical, operational, and logistical issue).
A few key points.
1. Turkey has already provided cluster munitions to Ukraine, but whether those are air dropped or artillery fired isn't clear to me.
2. Kyiv understands this risk to its own citizens but counters with a compelling point of its own: These weapons would help defeat the Russian occupiers, who objectively pose a much deadlier threat to Ukrainian civilians than unexploded ammunition. After weighing the pros and cons, Kyiv has decided the former outweigh the latter. That’s the Ukrainians’ call to make. The NGO's who are opposing this need to wind their necks in.
3. Most European Union countries, particularly those that are far away from Russia and surrounded only by friendly nations, have signed an international treaty banning cluster munitions because of the potential danger they pose to civilians. (Estonia, Finland, Latvia, Poland, and Romania are among the EU members that haven’t banned cluster munitions, perhaps because they are closer to Russia and don’t want to limit their options in case they need to fend off an attack.)
4. Neither Moscow nor Kyiv has joined the international cluster munitions ban, and both sides have already employed them in the war.
Washington, too, is not a party to the treaty, but U.S. law prohibits the export of cluster munitions with a rate of unexploded duds higher than 1 in 100. However, the law allows for the president to waive that restriction.
With an airborne drone spotter, and DPICM as an option, the Ukraine Summer offensive would most likely be more effective and/or successful.
I hope that this appeal succeeds and the cluster munitions are provided for Ukranian artillery.
Ukraine has done their risk assessment of having to deal with unexploded ordnance. Given the amount of artillery already let loose in that country, it becomes just one more thing to deal with during post conflict ops.
The US Senate sent a letter on this topic to the President and Sec Def in March.
03-21-23_dpicm_letter.pdf (senate.gov)
There is apparently support from both sides of the aisle on this.
As pointed out here, none of the nations who border Russia have signed on to the "cluster munitions ban" that some nations have self imposed on themselves.
The linked article.(for those who'd like to read the long version of this tactical, operational, and logistical issue).
Spoiler
A few key points.
1. Turkey has already provided cluster munitions to Ukraine, but whether those are air dropped or artillery fired isn't clear to me.
2. Kyiv understands this risk to its own citizens but counters with a compelling point of its own: These weapons would help defeat the Russian occupiers, who objectively pose a much deadlier threat to Ukrainian civilians than unexploded ammunition. After weighing the pros and cons, Kyiv has decided the former outweigh the latter. That’s the Ukrainians’ call to make. The NGO's who are opposing this need to wind their necks in.
3. Most European Union countries, particularly those that are far away from Russia and surrounded only by friendly nations, have signed an international treaty banning cluster munitions because of the potential danger they pose to civilians. (Estonia, Finland, Latvia, Poland, and Romania are among the EU members that haven’t banned cluster munitions, perhaps because they are closer to Russia and don’t want to limit their options in case they need to fend off an attack.)
4. Neither Moscow nor Kyiv has joined the international cluster munitions ban, and both sides have already employed them in the war.
Washington, too, is not a party to the treaty, but U.S. law prohibits the export of cluster munitions with a rate of unexploded duds higher than 1 in 100. However, the law allows for the president to waive that restriction.
With an airborne drone spotter, and DPICM as an option, the Ukraine Summer offensive would most likely be more effective and/or successful.
I hope that this appeal succeeds and the cluster munitions are provided for Ukranian artillery.
TikTok army at it again. RU mobiks say Kadyrovites aren't even there yet chechens make a video of their heroic battle.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
https://www.militarytimes.com/flashp...id-to-ukraine/
US to send $500 million in weapons, military aid to Ukraine
The Pentagon will announce it is sending up to $500 million in military aid to Ukraine, including more than 50 heavily armored vehicles and an infusion of missiles for air defense systems, U.S. officials said Monday, as Ukrainian and Western leaders try to sort out the impact of the brief weekend insurrection in Russia.
The aid is aimed at bolstering Ukraine’s counteroffensive, which has been moving slowly in its early stages. It wasn’t clear Monday if Ukrainian forces will be able to take advantage of the disarray in the Russian ranks, in the aftermath of the short-lived rebellion by Yevgeny Prigozhin and the Wagner mercenary group that he has controlled.….
According to the officials, the U.S. will send 30 Bradley Fighting Vehicles and 25 of the armored Stryker vehicles to Ukraine, along with missiles for HIMARS, and Patriot air defense systems. The package will include Javelin and HARM, missiles, demolition munitions, obstacle-clearing equipment and a wide range of artillery rounds and other ammunition.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the aid has not yet been publicly announced….
The U.S. has at least $1.2 billion in drawdown authority that hasn’t yet been committed but will expire at the end of this fiscal year on Sept. 30. The remaining $1.9 billion in USAI funds does not expire until the end of the next fiscal year, in September 2024.
US to send $500 million in weapons, military aid to Ukraine
The Pentagon will announce it is sending up to $500 million in military aid to Ukraine, including more than 50 heavily armored vehicles and an infusion of missiles for air defense systems, U.S. officials said Monday, as Ukrainian and Western leaders try to sort out the impact of the brief weekend insurrection in Russia.
The aid is aimed at bolstering Ukraine’s counteroffensive, which has been moving slowly in its early stages. It wasn’t clear Monday if Ukrainian forces will be able to take advantage of the disarray in the Russian ranks, in the aftermath of the short-lived rebellion by Yevgeny Prigozhin and the Wagner mercenary group that he has controlled.….
According to the officials, the U.S. will send 30 Bradley Fighting Vehicles and 25 of the armored Stryker vehicles to Ukraine, along with missiles for HIMARS, and Patriot air defense systems. The package will include Javelin and HARM, missiles, demolition munitions, obstacle-clearing equipment and a wide range of artillery rounds and other ammunition.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the aid has not yet been publicly announced….
The U.S. has at least $1.2 billion in drawdown authority that hasn’t yet been committed but will expire at the end of this fiscal year on Sept. 30. The remaining $1.9 billion in USAI funds does not expire until the end of the next fiscal year, in September 2024.
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More rail sabotage, 8 hrs to repair makes it sound quite badly damaged.
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Nothing like being well prepared for an attack.... footware optional.
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More insane trench warfare footage, people dying, wounded and some swearing. Link in quote only
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More cool propaganda put out by Ukraine, this time Storm Shadow.
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Hey... we're back at No1 in Russia's, Top Of The have a Pop's at list...
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It's all mod con's in Russia... Not... I don't think we have been slinging out sh*t outside the house for nearly a century....
Minutes after todays RU artillery strike against civilians.
I hope the baby with multiple head wounds makes it without lifelong trauma.
Russia must fall.
I hope the baby with multiple head wounds makes it without lifelong trauma.
Russia must fall.
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After taking the "wait and see" approach for 16 months, China made the decision to support Russia's downfall. China now supports Ukraine's liberation of Crimea and all other territories occupied by Russia.…
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...nes-91-borders
‘Don’t see why not’: China envoy on backing Ukraine’s ’91 borders
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...nes-91-borders
‘Don’t see why not’: China envoy on backing Ukraine’s ’91 borders
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After taking the "wait and see" approach for 16 months, China made the decision to support Russia's downfall. China now supports Ukraine's liberation of Crimea and all other territories occupied by Russia.…
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...nes-91-borders
‘Don’t see why not’: China envoy on backing Ukraine’s ’91 borders
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...nes-91-borders
‘Don’t see why not’: China envoy on backing Ukraine’s ’91 borders
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And you are quite right in the skepticism, but, it is still a positive signal to Putin from an interested party that Putin has alliances with that they are at least publicly prepared to distance themselves from the master strategists cunning plan to break the FR into 23 little pieces. It's a win, not the end, but if it turns out to be backed by substance, that is the end of the game for the the master strategists grand tour of Eastern Europe.
It would put China in an interesting position. China is portrayed as an enemy of the West but by aligning with Ukraine, it becomes “ our enemy’s enemy” which makes it a friend. We should sup with a long spoon nonetheless.
GlobalNav - better to say you don't trust the Chinese rather than 'communists' since it would be difficult to classify 21st century China as a true communist state
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GlobalNav - better to say you don't trust the Chinese rather than 'communists' since it would be difficult to classify 21st century China as a true communist state