Fate of RAF Scampton
One of them wss "Home Office’s director of detention escorting service in immigration enforcement"
He is named in manuy online articles relating to various sites and failures around the country.
He is named in manuy online articles relating to various sites and failures around the country.
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Civil servants or government appointed?
Whichever it is as you say they haven't a clue what to do.
Typical civil servants I would guess because the saying is you can never sack a civil servant, you can only promote them and post them. [I was civil service for the first 5 years of my career, then although I became CAA, I worked for MOD(PE) so I know the civil service mentality]
If you wanted an airfield, the obvious choice would be Manston, but as it's now in private hands, that option isn't available unless the government temporarily takes it over and it's operated unlicensed with no instrument approach procedures. The closest alternative, Lydd, is too short (only about 1500m) for the type of aircraft needed for long range operations.
Whichever it is as you say they haven't a clue what to do.
Typical civil servants I would guess because the saying is you can never sack a civil servant, you can only promote them and post them. [I was civil service for the first 5 years of my career, then although I became CAA, I worked for MOD(PE) so I know the civil service mentality]
If you wanted an airfield, the obvious choice would be Manston, but as it's now in private hands, that option isn't available unless the government temporarily takes it over and it's operated unlicensed with no instrument approach procedures. The closest alternative, Lydd, is too short (only about 1500m) for the type of aircraft needed for long range operations.
The scientific CS was and is nothing like these clumsy caricatures.
As for sacking, very possible, I got rid of several, sometimes at request of Staish
Faldingworth was a nuclear weapons maintenance base. The Thors were based at RAF Hemswell. Incidentally the Scampton station shield showed a bow and arrow, the arrow was at the same angle to the bowstring as was the runway orientation in relation to the new portion of the A15, the string representing the old straight-as-a-die Roman road. The devise was in Latin, translated as "An armed man is not attacked". Don't tell the US NRA.
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The problem with the argument there FB is that an Amazon Distribuition Centre, or a Vehicle Recovery and Examination Centre would be subject to normal planning applications and the local poulation would have the ability to object.
Both would be far more acceptable than 1500+ single males, of unkown origin, wandering around your garden.
There was mention that the HO would be able to develope MOD land without ANY discussion with the locals and no need to follow usual planning rules.
Both would be far more acceptable than 1500+ single males, of unkown origin, wandering around your garden.
There was mention that the HO would be able to develope MOD land without ANY discussion with the locals and no need to follow usual planning rules.
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The problem with the argument there FB is that an Amazon Distribuition Centre, or a Vehicle Recovery and Examination Centre would be subject to normal planning applications and the local poulation would have the ability to object.
Both would be far more acceptable than 1500+ single males, of unkown origin, wandering around your garden.
There was mention that the HO would be able to develope MOD land without ANY discussion with the locals and no need to follow usual planning rules.
Both would be far more acceptable than 1500+ single males, of unkown origin, wandering around your garden.
There was mention that the HO would be able to develope MOD land without ANY discussion with the locals and no need to follow usual planning rules.
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"...did they really turn everything upside down in their search for a suitable location for this new tent city?"
I think the answer is a resounding NO. Clown 1 and 2 went for what they perceived to be path of least resistance. When we spoke with them at Linton they had 5 other "potentialtargets sites" all discounted on the flimsiest of reasons. I think the only Risk Assessment they did was to calculate how many locals they could &^%$ off and not lose a Tory seat.
I think the answer is a resounding NO. Clown 1 and 2 went for what they perceived to be path of least resistance. When we spoke with them at Linton they had 5 other "potential
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Surely the place to put it is Manston, handy for the coast, so you could more or less land them directly from the sea and being the lorry park for the Channel crossing bottlenecks, you could ship them back out the same way some of them would have arrived by, to whence they came from. 
just get it up and running again if it isn’t.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-63456015
just get it up and running again if it isn’t.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-63456015
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Surely the place to put it is Manston, handy for the coast, so you could more or less land them directly from the sea and being the lorry park for the Channel crossing bottlenecks, you could ship them back out the same way some of them would have arrived by, to whence they came from.
just get it up and running again if it isn’t.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-63456015
just get it up and running again if it isn’t.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-63456015
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Reading Guy Walters tweet, it strikes me that some people think Nigel Farage is a criminal at large. Although I would agree with one thing, his name on the ticket will only get the counter-opinion inflamed because Farage has offered his public support. The best thing Mr Farage can do is to back the Asylum Centre plans, it would cause a good deal of confusion if nothing else!
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I see the arguments why Linton on Ouse and Scampton are inappropriate are now migrating to Weathersfield. Everyone wants something doing as long as it’s somewhere else, guess I can’t blame the locals.
I don't think it is a case of blaming the locals for fighting back, more a case of the Government being deaf to EVERYONE's concerns here. THE major issue at every site is that the guests were not in secure accommodation. The Home Office could not guarantee their background, hence evryone was justifiably worried. Genuine asylum seekers with a real need to be here, and who would be welcome here, should fully understand our need to validate who they were. Once that is done they can be integrated into our society. Without any assurances then our security should come first. 1500+ SINGLE males of unknown background, literally dumped into a small village ( any village) is totally wrong. Once the idiots in power see why folk kick off then the sooner we may actually achieve an acceptable solution - until then, I support ANY community pushing back.
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I don't think it is a case of blaming the locals for fighting back, more a case of the Government being deaf to EVERYONE's concerns here. THE major issue at every site is that the guests were not in secure accommodation. The Home Office could not guarantee their background, hence evryone was justifiably worried. Genuine asylum seekers with a real need to be here, and who would be welcome here, should fully understand our need to validate who they were. Once that is done they can be integrated into our society. Without any assurances then our security should come first. 1500+ SINGLE males of unknown background, literally dumped into a small village ( any village) is totally wrong. Once the idiots in power see why folk kick off then the sooner we may actually achieve an acceptable solution - until then, I support ANY community pushing back.
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Surely the place to put it is Manston, handy for the coast, so you could more or less land them directly from the sea and being the lorry park for the Channel crossing bottlenecks, you could ship them back out the same way some of them would have arrived by, to whence they came from.
just get it up and running again if it isn’t.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-63456015
just get it up and running again if it isn’t.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-63456015
FB, at the meetings at at Linton with the Home Office we asked how they managed to determine the "guests" were safe. They told us that they will have been through a rigorous checking process. We then asked "HOW, considering you have just told us most destroy or throw away any documents to aid their asylum claim?" - stunned silence!
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FB, at the meetings at at Linton with the Home Office we asked how they managed to determine the "guests" were safe. They told us that they will have been through a rigorous checking process. We then asked "HOW, considering you have just told us most destroy or throw away any documents to aid their asylum claim?" - stunned silence!
I think this is it, a mixture of ineffectual timidity, gutless incompetence, utter disregard for the long term impact of allowing the problem to expand and a high minded assumption that the hoi polloi can be dismissed with absurd reassurances based on contempt for same.
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Whitehall is acting with an arrogance which is pissing off people within and without the political chain. I gather that, for example, the Novotel in Ipswich was sequestered at less than 48 hours notice. The staff had to be be fired becasue Serco employees were put in. It was previously the main business hotel for central Ipswich so all the associated dining and hosiptality spending spillover disappeared overnight. The local Council was powerless to intervene. This is building into a pressure cooker issue.
The decision to use Scampton is spectacularly tin-eared.
The decision to use Scampton is spectacularly tin-eared.
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