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Fate of RAF Scampton

Old 20th Mar 2023, 00:13
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One of them wss "Home Office’s director of detention escorting service in immigration enforcement"
He is named in manuy online articles relating to various sites and failures around the country.
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Old 20th Mar 2023, 04:58
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Broadcasters and veterans try to stop home of ex-Dambusters HQ becoming refugee detention centre | Daily Mail Online

Here, vindication.

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Old 20th Mar 2023, 09:14
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Originally Posted by chevvron
Civil servants or government appointed?
Whichever it is as you say they haven't a clue what to do.
Typical civil servants I would guess because the saying is you can never sack a civil servant, you can only promote them and post them. [I was civil service for the first 5 years of my career, then although I became CAA, I worked for MOD(PE) so I know the civil service mentality]
If you wanted an airfield, the obvious choice would be Manston, but as it's now in private hands, that option isn't available unless the government temporarily takes it over and it's operated unlicensed with no instrument approach procedures. The closest alternative, Lydd, is too short (only about 1500m) for the type of aircraft needed for long range operations.
Cheap shots and generalities about civil servants.
The scientific CS was and is nothing like these clumsy caricatures.
As for sacking, very possible, I got rid of several, sometimes at request of Staish
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Faldingworth was a nuclear weapons maintenance base. The Thors were based at RAF Hemswell. Incidentally the Scampton station shield showed a bow and arrow, the arrow was at the same angle to the bowstring as was the runway orientation in relation to the new portion of the A15, the string representing the old straight-as-a-die Roman road. The devise was in Latin, translated as "An armed man is not attacked". Don't tell the US NRA.
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Old 20th Mar 2023, 10:04
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And no doubt for their trouble, the cancel culture mob will brand them heartless "Neo Nazis" for trying to raise the historical profile of this place.
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And no doubt for their trouble, the cancel culture mob will brand them heartless "Neo Nazis" for trying to raise the historical profile of this place.
Always the first line of defence(attack) by the cancel culture, but to a man/woman, not one involved in the resistance to Braverman's plan strikes as the sort you would instantly place in such category. Another way to see this more clearly, and dispassionately, if someone lived in a house where when they looked out the bedroom window each morning they viewed a wooded meadow. One day the site survey team turns up to start recording their calculations, next it soon comes to note that the place is going to be replaced by an Amazon Distribution Centre? Or a Vehicle Recovery and Examination Centre, I know something about the features and characteristics of the latter, all very much necessary to the tapestry of modern living. But you wouldn't want one to turn up on your doorstep suddenly. In this case, an historic heritage site, within such an historic tourist area, faces the same sweep aside destruction by something necessary, but which would be incompatible and which could easily be placed elsewhere.

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Old 20th Mar 2023, 16:12
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The problem with the argument there FB is that an Amazon Distribuition Centre, or a Vehicle Recovery and Examination Centre would be subject to normal planning applications and the local poulation would have the ability to object.
Both would be far more acceptable than 1500+ single males, of unkown origin, wandering around your garden.

There was mention that the HO would be able to develope MOD land without ANY discussion with the locals and no need to follow usual planning rules.
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Old 20th Mar 2023, 16:48
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The problem with the argument there FB is that an Amazon Distribuition Centre, or a Vehicle Recovery and Examination Centre would be subject to normal planning applications and the local poulation would have the ability to object.
Both would be far more acceptable than 1500+ single males, of unkown origin, wandering around your garden.

There was mention that the HO would be able to develope MOD land without ANY discussion with the locals and no need to follow usual planning rules.
Of course, mind you, consultation with the Hoi Polloi in order to seek the approval of same appears increasingly to be a formal exercise. The Mayor of London likes to be seen as a man of the people, when the people disagree, he carries on regardless. What I can't understand about the Home Office, is did they really turn everything upside down in their search for a suitable location for this new tent city? How on earth did Scampton get picked? Especially given the investment in its long term future which would at the very least preserve what has to be regarded as a sacred plot. This is truly an historic visitor attraction, if they went ahead and transformed the OM into a Hotel, it surly, with the right publicity, be a wise investment.

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Old 20th Mar 2023, 17:50
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"...did they really turn everything upside down in their search for a suitable location for this new tent city?"

I think the answer is a resounding NO. Clown 1 and 2 went for what they perceived to be path of least resistance. When we spoke with them at Linton they had 5 other "potential targets sites" all discounted on the flimsiest of reasons. I think the only Risk Assessment they did was to calculate how many locals they could &^%$ off and not lose a Tory seat.
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Old 20th Mar 2023, 22:50
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Surely the place to put it is Manston, handy for the coast, so you could more or less land them directly from the sea and being the lorry park for the Channel crossing bottlenecks, you could ship them back out the same way some of them would have arrived by, to whence they came from.

just get it up and running again if it isn’t.

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Old 21st Mar 2023, 00:16
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Surely the place to put it is Manston, handy for the coast, so you could more or less land them directly from the sea and being the lorry park for the Channel crossing bottlenecks, you could ship them back out the same way some of them would have arrived by, to whence they came from.

just get it up and running again if it isnít.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-63456015
Already suggested at #40.
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Reading Guy Walters tweet, it strikes me that some people think Nigel Farage is a criminal at large. Although I would agree with one thing, his name on the ticket will only get the counter-opinion inflamed because Farage has offered his public support. The best thing Mr Farage can do is to back the Asylum Centre plans, it would cause a good deal of confusion if nothing else!

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Old 22nd Mar 2023, 07:53
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I see the arguments why Linton on Ouse and Scampton are inappropriate are now migrating to Weathersfield. Everyone wants something doing as long as it’s somewhere else, guess I can’t blame the locals.
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 22:43
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I see the arguments why Linton on Ouse and Scampton are inappropriate are now migrating to Weathersfield. Everyone wants something doing as long as it’s somewhere else, guess I can’t blame the locals.
I don't think it is a case of blaming the locals for fighting back, more a case of the Government being deaf to EVERYONE's concerns here. THE major issue at every site is that the guests were not in secure accommodation. The Home Office could not guarantee their background, hence evryone was justifiably worried. Genuine asylum seekers with a real need to be here, and who would be welcome here, should fully understand our need to validate who they were. Once that is done they can be integrated into our society. Without any assurances then our security should come first. 1500+ SINGLE males of unknown background, literally dumped into a small village ( any village) is totally wrong. Once the idiots in power see why folk kick off then the sooner we may actually achieve an acceptable solution - until then, I support ANY community pushing back.
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Old 23rd Mar 2023, 23:03
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I don't think it is a case of blaming the locals for fighting back, more a case of the Government being deaf to EVERYONE's concerns here. THE major issue at every site is that the guests were not in secure accommodation. The Home Office could not guarantee their background, hence evryone was justifiably worried. Genuine asylum seekers with a real need to be here, and who would be welcome here, should fully understand our need to validate who they were. Once that is done they can be integrated into our society. Without any assurances then our security should come first. 1500+ SINGLE males of unknown background, literally dumped into a small village ( any village) is totally wrong. Once the idiots in power see why folk kick off then the sooner we may actually achieve an acceptable solution - until then, I support ANY community pushing back.
This is exactly it. I live in one of the 'Springline' villages at the bottom of the hill from Scampton, no one is concerned about genuine asylum seekers. This is about illegal immigrants, 1500 fighting aged males from the countries we've recently been involved in, wandering around up to no good. Alarmist? Possibly, but it's what people are worried about.
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Surely the place to put it is Manston, handy for the coast, so you could more or less land them directly from the sea and being the lorry park for the Channel crossing bottlenecks, you could ship them back out the same way some of them would have arrived by, to whence they came from.

just get it up and running again if it isnít.

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Surely, the place to put it is Sangate!
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Old 24th Mar 2023, 00:49
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FB, at the meetings at at Linton with the Home Office we asked how they managed to determine the "guests" were safe. They told us that they will have been through a rigorous checking process. We then asked "HOW, considering you have just told us most destroy or throw away any documents to aid their asylum claim?" - stunned silence!

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FB, at the meetings at at Linton with the Home Office we asked how they managed to determine the "guests" were safe. They told us that they will have been through a rigorous checking process. We then asked "HOW, considering you have just told us most destroy or throw away any documents to aid their asylum claim?" - stunned silence!
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I think this is it, a mixture of ineffectual timidity, gutless incompetence, utter disregard for the long term impact of allowing the problem to expand and a high minded assumption that the hoi polloi can be dismissed with absurd reassurances based on contempt for same.

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Whitehall is acting with an arrogance which is pissing off people within and without the political chain. I gather that, for example, the Novotel in Ipswich was sequestered at less than 48 hours notice. The staff had to be be fired becasue Serco employees were put in. It was previously the main business hotel for central Ipswich so all the associated dining and hosiptality spending spillover disappeared overnight. The local Council was powerless to intervene. This is building into a pressure cooker issue.

The decision to use Scampton is spectacularly tin-eared.
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