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China recruits former British military pilots

Old 18th Oct 2022, 16:41
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Surely, if a Bill is yet to be passed, what has been done isn’t actually illegal.
The criminal law is, as said earlier, rather weak but does exist in theory. For most of us the loss of all pension rights would make you think twice, let alone the risk of litigation and legal bills.
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Old 18th Oct 2022, 16:53
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Just pilots? Just British? I think this rabbit hole will go very deep and there is plenty left to uncover. I would be amazed if it was confined only to the above...
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Old 18th Oct 2022, 16:56
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Just pilots? Just British? I think this rabbit hole will go very deep and there is plenty left to uncover. I would be amazed if it was confined only to the above...
It's not.
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Old 18th Oct 2022, 17:07
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You are absolutely right that losing all our experience after a tour or so is a massive issue. Flying a Typhoon or an F35 is cool but when the organisation you work for is constantly kicking sand in your face there isn't much reason to stay. Don't think it justifies going to work for the Chinese though.
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Old 18th Oct 2022, 17:09
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I’m inclined to say “hats off” to the Chinese. Saves all that spying and espionage malarkey, cuts straight to the chase with a “help wanted” ad.
we might consider doing the same with Russian and Chinese pilots; the going rate is less than £240k too I gather.
As has been said already, this is morally no worse than what many senior officers do when they sell their soul on retirement to the major defence contractors, and certainly harms our defence rather less. It will be a long time before Chinese pilots will be threatening UK skies, and I can’t help but feeling we should be much more concerned about infiltration closer to home. Hinckley point, for example…..
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Old 18th Oct 2022, 17:27
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I had a very good friend who was employed in China to teach their nationals to fly. He spent a year or so there, had a very pleasant time and ended up married to a Russian princess. The marriage didn’t last, unfortunately, because she spoke no English and he no Russian. The briefs and debriefs were carried out through an interpreter and always finished with the phrase “I will try to do better.”

He was a highly decorated pilot who had been previously been flying state-of-the art fighters and on return, had no problem with his former Service nor, indeed the government.

Slight thread drift though; this was 1920, his previous type was the SE5A, on which he had won a Military Cross. He subsequently stopped flying, won an Oscar for the screen play of Pygmalion and formed a well-known broadcasting company that has had its centenary today. He also went on to write one of the best flying memoirs ever - Sagittarius Rising. He read some of my poetry in the late 80’s, which resulted in me being invited to his 90th birthday bash, where we formed an instant bond.

One hell of a man!

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Old 18th Oct 2022, 17:35
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Here's the question for these guys. "Might what I do here make these people better combatants than my countrymen?" If the answer is yes, then shame on them. If the answer is no, then finding something to have a stroke over is a little harder.

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Old 18th Oct 2022, 18:31
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
They could always point out to them that they will never ever hold a UK airside permit again as they are now deemed a security risk.
I’m not sure working in China counts as a security risk and makes you ineligible for an airside pass. If it does someone should tell all the expats flying commercial over there.
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Old 18th Oct 2022, 18:44
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Has anybody spotted a fact recently?
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Old 18th Oct 2022, 19:09
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Very few "facts" at all in this debate.

Please PM me if you wish facts
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Old 18th Oct 2022, 19:13
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I’m not sure working in China counts as a security risk and makes you ineligible for an airside pass. If it does someone should tell all the expats flying commercial over there.
I agree. There is no such legislation. If there was, it would do nothing to further diplomatic relations.

China is now one of the top industrial nations and a large proportion of our consumer goods come from there. Most seem to have no qualms about buying Chinese made goods!
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Old 18th Oct 2022, 19:23
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Twitter replies, blimey! Plenty on 'stroke-watch' over there!

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Old 18th Oct 2022, 20:27
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‘Why now’ for this press release? Concern at political fallout if China attack Taiwan (imagine the headline “Ex-RAF pilots train Chinese Pilots Prior to attack on Taiwan)?! Deflection from other woes in the RAF? Lead turning a more damaging story?

A good day to burry bad news?

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Originally Posted by Mogwi View Post
I had a very good friend who was employed in China to teach their nationals to fly. He spent a year or so there, had a very pleasant time and ended up married to a Russian princess. The marriage didn’t last, unfortunately, because she spoke no English and he no Russian. The briefs and debriefs were carried out through an interpreter and always finished with the phrase “I will try to do better.”

He was a highly decorated pilot who had been previously been flying state-of-the art fighters and on return, had no problem with his former Service nor, indeed the government.

Slight thread drift though; this was 1920, his previous type was the SE5A, on which he had won a Military Cross. He subsequently stopped flying, won an Oscar for the screen play of Pygmalion and formed a well-known broadcasting company that has had its centenary today. He also went on to write one of the best flying memoirs ever - Sagittarius Rising. He read some of my poetry in the late 80’s, which resulted in me being invited to his 90th birthday bash, where we formed an instant bond.

One hell of a man!

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So, ex pilots going that way to train is bad, but the PLAAF folk who were on my IOT were completely fine? Good to know.
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Old 18th Oct 2022, 22:02
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Doing stuff with MoD permission is ok; doing it without is not. This stuff is written down and part of QRs and Officers' Terms of Service.

Unless you are suggesting that PLAAF cadets on your IOT were there without MoD's / PLAAF permission?
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Old 18th Oct 2022, 22:43
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So, ex pilots going that way to train is bad, but the PLAAF folk who were on my IOT were completely fine? Good to know.
Getting taught which knife and fork to use at mess dinners is a little different to being trained to be better pilots, don't you think?
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Old 18th Oct 2022, 23:46
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Remember few years Back when two of our British Army guys went on exchange to the Chinese military academy?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-27152535

Think one of the two gents was AAC judging by his light blue beret.

I imagine plenty of former AAC (both officers and NCO) pilots were flying for Bristow out in China during the /80s/90s..

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