Can Wigston survive the onslaught?
Originally Posted by Biggus
I don't know if this has been mentioned in any of the previous 99 posts, however...
A total of 13% of the UK population is made up of ethnic minorities. The RAF, under Wigston, has a recruitment target of 20% ethnic minorities. First of all this is apparently a more ambitious target than that of either the Army or RN. So presumably this isn't a tri-service policy, having come down from CDS or the politicians, but an RAF (under Wigston) self generated figure. Secondly, a target of 20% vs 13% of the population indicates a policy of deliberate over representation, by around 50%, dare one say a policy of "positive discrimination"?
A total of 13% of the UK population is made up of ethnic minorities. The RAF, under Wigston, has a recruitment target of 20% ethnic minorities. First of all this is apparently a more ambitious target than that of either the Army or RN. So presumably this isn't a tri-service policy, having come down from CDS or the politicians, but an RAF (under Wigston) self generated figure. Secondly, a target of 20% vs 13% of the population indicates a policy of deliberate over representation, by around 50%, dare one say a policy of "positive discrimination"?
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muppetofhenorth - Thanks for the clarification, I hadn't appreciated that distinction.
However, as MPN11 points out, if ethnic minorities don't want to join the RAF (military in general) for whatever reason, be it historic, cultural, financial, then it doesn't matter what your target is, and the higher you set it the more you fail by. However, I expect that half the battle is a PR one to show that the RAF is trying.
However, as MPN11 points out, if ethnic minorities don't want to join the RAF (military in general) for whatever reason, be it historic, cultural, financial, then it doesn't matter what your target is, and the higher you set it the more you fail by. However, I expect that half the battle is a PR one to show that the RAF is trying.
When I first met the OH, she was a recruiter. More relevantly, Schools Liaison, involving speaking to the little dears to try to sell the RAF.
Case 1. Predominantly ethnic London school. Total apathy.
Case 2. Her alma mater, a Central London posh girls School. Total apathy, as such a career was deemed too lowly?
You can lead a horse to water ...
Case 1. Predominantly ethnic London school. Total apathy.
Case 2. Her alma mater, a Central London posh girls School. Total apathy, as such a career was deemed too lowly?
You can lead a horse to water ...
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Originally Posted by SLXOwft
As Major (rtd) Heappey is a Truss supporter, I assume he may well still be in post come 6 September, so his support may be significant regarding CAS going early other than by his own volition.
It appears to me that our current generation of leaders, political, military, and business appear, in very large part, to have replaced a sense of honour and duty with an unshakeable belief in their own abilities, point of view, and irreplaceability, the former Group Captain R&S being herself an honourable exception. I admit I may be looking through a rose-tinted visor when thinking in earlier generations we would have seen resignations for the good of the service on the Caesar's wife principle.
I lack the experience and don't know enough facts to pass judgement on the competence and actions of the VSOs involved.
P.S. Good to see the Wing Commander and Air Ministry official weren't distracted from doing their jobs by events across the Channel on that day.
It appears to me that our current generation of leaders, political, military, and business appear, in very large part, to have replaced a sense of honour and duty with an unshakeable belief in their own abilities, point of view, and irreplaceability, the former Group Captain R&S being herself an honourable exception. I admit I may be looking through a rose-tinted visor when thinking in earlier generations we would have seen resignations for the good of the service on the Caesar's wife principle.
I lack the experience and don't know enough facts to pass judgement on the competence and actions of the VSOs involved.
P.S. Good to see the Wing Commander and Air Ministry official weren't distracted from doing their jobs by events across the Channel on that day.
Originally Posted by Biggus
muppetofhenorth - Thanks for the clarification, I hadn't appreciated that distinction.
However, as MPN11 points out, if ethnic minorities don't want to join the RAF (military in general) for whatever reason, be it historic, cultural, financial, then it doesn't matter what your target is, and the higher you set it the more you fail by. However, I expect that half the battle is a PR one to show that the RAF is trying.
However, as MPN11 points out, if ethnic minorities don't want to join the RAF (military in general) for whatever reason, be it historic, cultural, financial, then it doesn't matter what your target is, and the higher you set it the more you fail by. However, I expect that half the battle is a PR one to show that the RAF is trying.
Originally Posted by MPN11
When I first met the OH, she was a recruiter. More relevantly, Schools Liaison, involving speaking to the little dears to try to sell the RAF.
Case 1. Predominantly ethnic London school. Total apathy.
Case 2. Her alma mater, a Central London posh girls School. Total apathy, as such a career was deemed too lowly?
You can lead a horse to water ...
Case 1. Predominantly ethnic London school. Total apathy.
Case 2. Her alma mater, a Central London posh girls School. Total apathy, as such a career was deemed too lowly?
You can lead a horse to water ...
NEW: The head of the RAF - @ChiefofAirStaff - says he will address “as a priority” a series of “legitimate questions” raised in the media over diversity targets in the @RoyalAirForce , allegations of sexual harassment & bullying in the @rafredarrows & concerns about flying training
Originally Posted by oldmansquipper
Ok. This may be from another thread here, and I admit to a little confirmation bias….but it’s still an interesting read. Just don’t tell the meejah.
Originally Posted by oldmansquipper
Ok. This may be from another thread here, and I admit to a little confirmation bias….but it’s still an interesting read. Just don’t tell the meejah.
Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim
What newspaper was that from? No British newspaper can be trusted to tell the truth. ONS figures are the only true ones. Stuff what the Sir Squire from the Shire says. Or a survey.
Wigston is taking the salute tonight (in whatever form the locals choose to salute him) at the Edinburgh Military Tattoo, luckily the Reds are elsewhere so a different flypast.
Originally Posted by CAEBr
Wigston is taking the salute tonight (in whatever form the locals choose to salute him) at the Edinburgh Military Tattoo, luckily the Reds are elsewhere so a different flypast.
Originally Posted by muppetofthenorth
It's quoting a YouGov survey. No point having a go at a newspaper.
Originally Posted by muppetofthenorth
It's quoting a YouGov survey. No point having a go at a newspaper.
Hard to see how this can all be resolved. If you are currently serving and are focused on the delivery of hard air power you will be turned off by all the talk of quotas and “‘wokery”. If, on the other hand, you are focused on delivering diversity and inclusivity you will be turned off by the antedeluvian behaviour reported in the Red Arrows.
I fear it needs a new CAS and a new start where the only thing that matters is preparing to fight the Russians and the Chinese. That is the job of the UK armed forces at the moment. Everything else is fluff.
I fear it needs a new CAS and a new start where the only thing that matters is preparing to fight the Russians and the Chinese. That is the job of the UK armed forces at the moment. Everything else is fluff.
