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Can Wigston survive the onslaught?

Old 21st Aug 2022, 21:29
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On the subject of sacking, Sir Peter Harding 'resigned' in Mar 94 after his affair. Sir Sandy Wilson 'retired early' in Aug 95 after buying too many carpets and curtains.
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You have sat too long for any good you have been doing.

Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!

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Old 21st Aug 2022, 22:19
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On the subject of sacking, Sir Peter Harding 'resigned' in Mar 94 after his affair. Sir Sandy Wilson 'retired early' in Aug 95 after buying too many carpets and curtains.
Wilson was like Marmite. He worked wonders when AOC in C RAFG. From my viewpoint, hard as nails, efficient, fair.
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And he had the decency to go when time was up.

Much more recently a VSO went because he offered his arse as a garden bike rack. A very small sin compared with the present disaster.
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Old 21st Aug 2022, 22:24
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Much more recently a VSO went because he offered his arse as a garden bike rack. A very small sin compared with the present disaster.
Sadly, many of the barking mad ideas currently being implemented by the RAF, were penned by the naked gardener.
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Old 21st Aug 2022, 22:28
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Yes, I can believe that: dropping one's trousers al fresco to a known enemy does indicate a certain lack of judgement.
Or deathwish.
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Old 21st Aug 2022, 23:03
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Originally Posted by Roland Pulfrew View Post
Sadly, many of the barking mad ideas currently being implemented by the RAF, were penned by the naked gardener.
Not to defend Wigston, is some of this being pushed down from Radkin the CDS? To his detriment Wigston hasn't pushed back.
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Old 21st Aug 2022, 23:18
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Originally Posted by langleybaston View Post
Wilson was like Marmite. He worked wonders when AOC in C RAFG. From my viewpoint, hard as nails, efficient, fair.
Other colours are available..
And he had the decency to go when time was up.

Much more recently a VSO went because he offered his arse as a garden bike rack. A very small sin compared with the present disaster.
That particular Air Marshal could have sorted out MFTS but didn't. Current ACAS 'Spoons' Edwards could have also sorted out MFTS, but didn't. There's a pattern here reflecting integrity and competency, isn't there?
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Not to defend Wigston, is some of this being pushed down from Radkin the CDS? To his detriment Wigston hasn't pushed back.
These changes and directions were long underway before Adm Radakin became CDS.
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 01:06
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Ministers will investigate whether the RAF has acted illegally in the past by prioritising females and ethnic minorities for positions over white males.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...tion-v3pgn7v7b
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 06:21
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Originally Posted by air pig View Post
Not to defend Wigston, is some of this being pushed down from Radkin the CDS? To his detriment Wigston hasn't pushed back.
Fair point. Is this happening elsewhere in MoD? Is the RAF trying to catch up but gone a bit far? Maybe other parts have the likes of the Group Captain but who have managed to nip the excesses in the bud? If so it's not necessarily Radkin. Everybody has a boss. Just thinking out loud and glad I'm not involved.
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Originally Posted by langleybaston View Post
Wilson was like Marmite. He worked wonders when AOC in C RAFG. From my viewpoint, hard as nails, efficient, fair.
Other colours are available..
And he had the decency to go when time was up.

Much more recently a VSO went because he offered his arse as a garden bike rack. A very small sin compared with the present disaster.

Fair? i once watched that man dress down our squadron boss in front of the whole squadron on parade. The reason was that our WW2 hanger was in a terrible state compared to the facility he had seen at a newly re-built tornado unit the previous week. I cheered when he had to go!
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 08:34
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Rod Liddle - nail, head. Sunday Times 21 August
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These changes and directions were long underway before Adm Radakin became CDS.
I recall his predecessor hailing the advent of woke recruitment policies.............

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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 10:43
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I have no time for this diversity ballcocks but there has to be more than just skewed recruitment policy for this plan to work. I can only relate to the non-commissioned route to becoming an effective member of the RAF. The first process was Basic Recruit Training consisting of 6 weeks at Swinderby and now is a 10 week training course at Halton. I donít recall the bar being set very high for this element of training, it just weeded out the ones who didnít really want to be there or the RAF didnít want to invest in. There followed a Technical Training phase, which in my case was 18 months at Cosford. From an initial class of 18, I think 6 of us got through without being CTíd or back classed due to illness, injury or needing to resit an exam. I reckon about 10 of the original 18 eventually passed out of Cosford with their newly sown on J/T badges.
For the RAF diversity plan to work, has the training bar been lowered? Is it lowered across the board or is there special dispensation for some individuals? If so, this is an equally worrying trend as the overall capability of the RAF is being reduced to cater for its diversity goals.
Iíve been out of the game for a long time so Iím looking from afar but it concerns me greatly that the training I received at Cosford, which became the foundation of my career in aerospace, is somehow being compromised and diluted by this ill conceived strategy.
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 10:45
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It has now made page two of the Times, Sky have re-elevated it to page 1 on the Sky news app and to just add to the coverage Mr Gratton via the Saturday Telegraph letters column was shouting at a Naval minion (Rear Admiral I believe) who had the termity to venture an opinion on affairs.
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 10:46
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You have sat too long for any good you have been doing.

Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!

Oliver Cromwell.
Oliver Cromwell is hardly some one I would want as my commander over the likes of a Leonard Cheshire. Rather have the latter commanding me thank you.
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 10:57
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Fair? i once watched that man dress down our squadron boss in front of the whole squadron on parade. The reason was that our WW2 hanger was in a terrible state compared to the facility he had seen at a newly re-built tornado unit the previous week. I cheered when he had to go!
Obviously he handled the hanger incident badly, no need to do what he did.
One can only speak as one finds. Yes, he spared nobody ........... notably a Group Captain at a Heads of Branch meeting who had utterly failed to prepare a brief, despite adequate notice. "And if you can't do it, I suggest you send your deputy". Thus, briefings were subsequently meticulously prepared, and likely questions researched. Personally, I have a very soft spot for efficiency, especially in a fighting service.

But we digress. Marmite!
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 11:37
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The end of the day, whether PM or CAS, the buck stops at the top of the food chain, everything on their watch is their responsibility, and he is that man.



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In answer to the OPs title question, yes, he will...simply because he's due to be replaced as CAS soon I think, and in the interim (should he feel humble enough to do so, [don't hold your breath..] ) he will simply issue some meaningless hoop statement about 'people being our greatest asset' etc.etc. Fall on his sword? Highly unlikely...just bide his time and disappear into retirement/highly paid defence job (take your pick) to let someone else deal with it.
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Speedywheels,

To put your mind at ease a little, there has been no suggestion from the Airships that technical training lower its standards for minority groups. The standard is still the standard for all. (There has been considerable discussion over the past few years about what that standard should be, but that’s a different issue…)
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