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Can Wigston survive the onslaught?

Old 26th Sep 2022, 07:46
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Video looks bang-on to me.
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 08:32
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Originally Posted by Chugalug2
What is it about the 'modern' RAF, atg, that is not to like? Is it perhaps the issue of an illegal order dismissed as, "challenged and never implemented", by the CAS? Is it perhaps a cynical adulteration of an effective RN selection algorithm so that only BAME and Female applicants can succeed? Is it the forced resignation of a Group Captain for doing her duty? If so, then label me as not liking the 'modern' RAF either!
it’s more the ckickbait nature of his channel, and the classic exaggerate/repeat style of a monetised stream.

im not in the RAF, but am serving, and my view of the RAF is that in some places it’s really good, and in others it’s dreadful. Which applies to my own service and the others as well.
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 08:45
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Originally Posted by alfred_the_great
it’s more the ckickbait nature of his channel, and the classic exaggerate/repeat style of a monetised stream.

im not in the RAF, but am serving, and my view of the RAF is that in some places it’s really good, and in others it’s dreadful. Which applies to my own service and the others as well.
Yes, there are always good and bad bits, however potentially illegal practices which damaged individuals and the reputation of the organisation as a whole must be dealt with head-on.

There are some slippery fish high up. A demonstration of ownership and accountability is what's needed, and all of this has a chance of going away (post-settlements maybe...).
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 10:10
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Grrr

im not in the RAF,
I was in the RAF (quite a long time ago, admittedly. From my perspective of then, and talking to those still serving

but am serving, and my view of the RAF is that in some places it’s really good,
SNCOs and most airmen, who get on with doing the best job they can with the kit they are given. Supported by some Commissioned Officers, the best being some Sqn. Ldr.s who haven't done Staff College, and know what is actually necessary

and in others it’s dreadful.
including most VSOs who have played the political system and are prepared to issue illegal orders, and threaten anyone who might obstruct their progress up the slippery pole

Just my opinion, of course.
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 10:34
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If true, then it would appear that the Senior Leadership interviewed on this matter have not been telling the truth.
MoD tells lies? Who knew?

Alfred. You hit 'auto troll' again. Get a better keyboard.

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Old 26th Sep 2022, 19:28
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I was chatting to an old mate whom has just left the service having reached quite high up the grape vine. He was very clear on the clangers the CAS had made and the ramifications as he saw due to them. I couldn't disagree with his logic.

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Old 26th Sep 2022, 21:36
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OMG! 🫢.

Reading through this, it looks like a Flt Lt was responsible!…….The boundah, how dare he?

See…….The VSOs had nothing to do with it. Probably be put down to a sort of administrative ‘pilot error’ I suppose.


Might be KC3’s first opportunity to say “Orf with his head”?



https://news.sky.com/story/raf-admit...dates-12705894RAF admits 'mistakes were made' after claims it prioritised hiring ethnic minority and female candidates[img]blob:https://www.pprune.org/ccd48990-cb3f-497a-b5e7-9812143b0ff6[/img]
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 17:48
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Regarding Deborah Haynes' last comment in that video, the simple answer is - NOBODY. Expect lots of trite statements about 'lessons being learnt' etc. etc from the RAF hierarchy, but no action whatsoever. The fact that it happened on Wigston's watch should be enough for him to do the honourable thing and resign, but don't hold your breath. The car crash that was his interview with Kay Burley should have been enough for him to go, but he didn't. The only person that can hold their head high in all of this is the recently departed Gp Capt who had the integrity to stand up to an illegal order and resign her position.
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Expect lots of trite statements about 'lessons being learnt'...[...]
Ah but TT, these days that phrase isn't used. Nowadays it's 'lessons identified', I gather!
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If I was Defence Minister I would tell CAS to rehire the Group Captain who showed some spine, promote her to Air Commodore and put her back in charge of recruiting. I would then fire the CAS.

That would send a message to the RAF top brass.

However that will never happen because politicians will never reward honourable behaviour in the armed forces.

The whole sad charade reminds me of the old management maxim

First rate leaders hire first rate assistants, second rate leaders hire third rate assistants.

A guy like Wigston at the top is what happens when every step up through the senior ranks was a result of sucking up to second rate leaders.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 22:17
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Keep on digging Sky, there is more to find, I’m sure.


Like, how do you get an “all female dais” at a RAFC Cranwell Graduation without actively turning away the males that are on the staff at the College?

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Old 28th Sep 2022, 06:00
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I used this in a briefing to a senior bod not that long ago. Back came the rebuttal that ‘going forward we won’t be using ‘learned’ as it implies measures had been taken to stop it happening again’. Wow….
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Old 28th Sep 2022, 10:17
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It appears this sort of recruitment policy isn’t solely an RAF initiative:

https://www.hr-inform.co.uk/news-art...discrimination
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Old 28th Sep 2022, 16:28
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Originally Posted by iRaven
Keep on digging Sky, there is more to find, I’m sure.

https://youtu.be/-7fDDO08sNQ

Like, how do you get an “all female dais” at a RAFC Cranwell Graduation without actively turning away the males that are on the staff at the College?

https://twitter.com/navy_women/statu...20727598018562
To digress slightly, why are there what look to be “non-cadet” officers in the ranks? There’s a Flt Lt in the front rank for instance.
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Old 28th Sep 2022, 17:02
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Originally Posted by PlasticCabDriver
To digress slightly, why are there what look to be “non-cadet” officers in the ranks? There’s a Flt Lt in the front rank for instance.
Looking at their age, and the number/type of medals worn, they have probably just completed the Commissioned Warrant Officers course, hence the promotion to Flt Lt.
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 09:46
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Originally Posted by Toadstool
Looking at their age, and the number/type of medals worn, they have probably just completed the Commissioned Warrant Officers course, hence the promotion to Flt Lt.
If graduates, then why are they not wearing tw4t bands on their hats?

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Old 29th Sep 2022, 09:55
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Originally Posted by charliegolf
If graduates, then why are they not wearing tw4t bands on their hats?

CG
I would suggest because they already know a lot about the RAF and Leadership. They don't need, or deserve, the Officer Cadet equivalent of L-plates.
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 12:28
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Originally Posted by MPN11
I would suggest because they already know a lot about the RAF and Leadership. They don't need, or deserve, the Officer Cadet equivalent of L-plates.
Then why waste a day at Cranwell. Give them a uniform and say, at 2359 you are an officer. On your way.

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Old 29th Sep 2022, 13:56
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Originally Posted by charliegolf
Then why waste a day at Cranwell. Give them a uniform and say, at 2359 you are an officer. On your way.

CG
There are certain things that only Officers know, such as the secret handshake, and they need to be taught these things.
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