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Old 29th Apr 2022, 05:33
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Sevastopol is reminiscent of Pearl.... nice line up of tubs set a little away from civilians


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This Kilo (B-871 or B-271?) looks like it isn't going anywhere at present... wonder when th happy snap was taken, she was supposed to be back growing barnacles in Dec 21.



Nicely lined up. So, how far does the R-360 reach out?
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Old 29th Apr 2022, 07:52
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How old are those shots? Looks the same as GoogleEarth pictures.
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Old 29th Apr 2022, 08:36
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
It’s ok though, they have Flipper and co defending them now. I’d like to see a Neptune get through that!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...olphins-crimea
What? No sharks with 'frickin [email protected]'?
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Old 29th Apr 2022, 08:59
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How old are those shots? Looks the same as GoogleEarth pictures.
they are 2022, from GE...

these however, are every 60 minutes... and just commercial













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Old 30th Apr 2022, 11:57
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I've heard the clam that Moskva had her radars in the stowed position in the images just before her capsizing. Is anyone on here able to comment on that?
The suggestion being that she was not able to detect incoming threats or respond to them.
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Old 2nd May 2022, 08:18
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Originally Posted by Kent Based View Post
I've heard the clam that Moskva had her radars in the stowed position in the images just before her capsizing. Is anyone on here able to comment on that?
The suggestion being that she was not able to detect incoming threats or respond to them.
The pictures taken from the recovery vessel show the Top Dome fire control radar (the ice cream cone on the helo hangar roof) for the SA-N-6 missiles was slewed astern in the usual transit position. Having noted that, given the likely detection range of the incoming missiles and the reaction time for the SA-N-6 it is unlikely that it not being in play would have been critical.

It is difficult to see any of the other radars, search or fire control, due to the smoke but what is clear is that the port SA-N-4 pop-up launcher was not deployed.

That would leave anti-missile defence to the CIWS so it would be interesting to see the disposition of the Bass Tilt fire control radars for the those guns. Neither of those radars is visible in any of the pictures I've seen.

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Old 2nd May 2022, 09:41
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Speaking about the radars, when viewing the configuration (before the destroy action), I somewhat get the impression, these radars do not have a free 360 view. Maybe a free view for targets coming from higher up, though below 30 degrees with the horizon, the super structure seems to block the free view in some directions, including to the front.
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Old 3rd May 2022, 14:39
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That doesn't look like an Udaloy.. More likely a modified Kashin class destroyer
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Old 3rd May 2022, 21:11
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Originally Posted by vinbaverb View Post
That doesn't look like an Udaloy.. More likely a modified Kashin class destroyer
Yes, it's definitely a Kashin, the 2 x 2 quad funnel configuration is a dead give away. It's almost certainly the Project 01090 modernised-Kashin Smetlivy. She's a museum ship.
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Old 6th May 2022, 09:45
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Seems another Russian naval asset has been hit.
"Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate of the Russian Navy Black Sea Fleet is reportedly on fire near Zmiiny island in Black Sea. Rescue operation ongoing, multiple aircraft, rescue vessels in the area "
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Old 6th May 2022, 09:50
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Backgrounder of what is "juiciest" left and capabilities left.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=4335297174d5
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Old 6th May 2022, 09:51
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This was doing the rounds about 12 hours ago but hasn't been confirmed/denied. I did find this on Telegram so usual caveats apply:

"A Russian frigate is burning near Zmiiny. "The Neptune missiles hit the Admiral Makarov frigate," said People's Deputy Goncharenko. There is no other confirmation yet."

If true it might explain why there was a RAF Rivet Joint south of Crimea.







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Old 6th May 2022, 09:54
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Frigate reported burning off Zmliny (Snake) Island.

Rescue operations reported under way.

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Old 6th May 2022, 10:20
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If true, will be interesting to hear what caused the fire.

Various reports in the Western media that the US provided intelligence contributing to the sinking of Moskva, but of course that can't be true because we all know it was an ammunition fire.
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Old 6th May 2022, 10:50
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If true, will be interesting to hear what caused the fire.

Various reports in the Western media that the US provided intelligence contributing to the sinking of Moskva, but of course that can't be true because we all know it was an ammunition fire.
Given how frequently - and readily - every military-related installation seems to spontaneously combust across Russia, one might wonder if they've angered their God?
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Old 6th May 2022, 14:31
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Reportedly video of frigate Admiral Makarov on fire. No sign of any rescue boats



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Old 6th May 2022, 14:49
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Reportedly video of frigate Admiral Makarov on fire. No sign of any rescue boats
That looks fake to me
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Warship Moskva was Blind to Ukrainian Missile Attack, Analysis Shows - USNI News 05 May 2022
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Old 6th May 2022, 16:50
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For a modern ship taken out and on fire it appears to have good protection from a missile attack
posted on Twitter, I wonder if the island masked it approach?
4/ Per Wiki, Admiral Makarov and sisters have 24 surface-to-air missiles and 2 × AK-630 CIWS, which are automated 6-barrel 30mm Gatling guns. If these ships are air defense vessels, they're not doing much good by Snake Island. What am I missing?
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Old 6th May 2022, 19:20
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Originally Posted by dead_pan View Post
Given how frequently - and readily - every military-related installation seems to spontaneously combust across Russia, one might wonder if they've angered their God?
Could these fires be caused by a Russian Resistance group formed as the enormity of the losses during the botched invasion became apparent? ….oops correction for “invasion” read “Military Operation” or whatever buzzword they are using at the moment for operation “Pig Lipstick”.

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