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Old 17th Apr 2022, 05:18
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
I wonder where they landed the survivors, or did they transfer them to a Russian ship.
I would think СИЗО, следственный изолятор

2. Ukrposhta will have to recall the stamps issued on 14th... herewith is the revised design




3. Loss of life is regrettable, including the shooting in the back of the head of bound civilians by Putins hordes. One side of this fight had a choice, the other is defending itself from a bunch of murderers, this being a "special Military action", not a war. Ergo, every civilian killed by the Russians, Wagners thugs, Chechen irregulars is a homicide. These are not war crimes, they are murders perpetrated at the command of Mr Putin. The Russian soldiers that are refusing to serve, kudos. That takes honor to call out their murderous leader.

4. The tactics of the neptune use are going to be good reading when they are released, expect some surprises, and no, not involving NATO help, the Ukrainians deserve respect.

5. the "100" or "300" switchblades story is curious. Why would you mention a trivial amount of a weapon system? By any metric the number trumpeted is inconsequential, but then, what is the hidden message. If this was a poker game, there would be a lot of questions going on in the background, and I would think that the Russians need to seriously consider how many zero's have been dropped off the delivery. Personally, I hope it is a lot of zero's that are dropped. Food for thought.

6. Did the Slava class have nukes on board? Would be amazed if it didn't. It's war load is anti USN CBG's and there is just no way that it didn't carry enough buckets of sunshine to have overkill of a USN CBG threat in the eastern med had it transpired. The 3M70 missile, (P-1000) is nuke capable with at least a 0.370 megaton warhead, designed to light up USN carriers. It was intended to be used in an attack using multiple missiles. That suggests that there is a number of the tubes that had nukes in them. Not all, that would be limiting of options, but enough to deter at least a single carrier group from getting within 500km of the Black sea. As a tactic that should at least annoy Turkey, who sits slap in the missile range of any attack done on a CBG from the rusty tub in the Black Sea. Great friends to have, the Russians. Just ask Ukraine, Poland, Finland, Georgia, Chechnya etc.... In fact, what countries have not been threatened by Russia? Putin has to give up smoking his medicinal hemp, he is more paranoid than the normally paranoid Russian leaders.

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Old 17th Apr 2022, 05:50
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Originally Posted by fdr

Putin has to give up smoking his medicinal hemp, he is more paranoid than the normally paranoid Russian leaders.
They are a strange bunch of paranoids they. Juri Andropov was convinced that electing a Polish pope was a scheme of CIA running anti-communism conspiracy in Poland. He had top KGB brass summoned for their incompetence on that matter.

Then again, he was an ex-KGB just like Putin.
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 06:33
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Originally Posted by MickG0105
The Battle of Bubiyan of the first Gulf War saw over 20 Iranian Navy vessels sunk in one action. Mainly smaller vessels like fast attack craft, patrol boats and mine layer/sweepers were sunk, over half to Royal Navy Sea Skua missiles (~30 kg HE warhead), half a dozen to laser-guided bombs. There was even an attempted engagement of a fast attack boat by a Canadian Hornet using a Sparrow air-to-air missile - the Hornet could lock the target up but the missile failed to track.
Did we really sink Iranian Navy ships in the first Gulf War or were they Iraqi?
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 06:47
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Originally Posted by fdr

5. the "100" or "300" switchblades story is curious. Why would you mention a trivial amount of a weapon system
6. Did the Slava class have nukes on board? Would be amazed if it didn't. It's war load is anti USN CBG's and there is just no way that it didn't carry enough buckets of sunshine to have overkill of a USN CBG threat in the eastern med had it transpired.
On the switch blades. its "systems" and each system is a 1 command node and either 6 or 10 drones/munitions

There was an agreement that russian ships would not carry nuclear tipped missiles in 1992. Also note there was an agreement russia wouldn't develop IRBM and they ignored that

If you goto AIS you well see that 2 Jackup barges are now located where the Moskva went down.
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 06:53
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Originally Posted by Blackfriar
Did we really sink Iranian Navy ships in the first Gulf War or were they Iraqi?
​​​​​​D'oh! The latter.
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 08:04
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"Juri Andropov was convinced that electing a Polish pope was a scheme of CIA running anti-communism conspiracy in Poland. "

Well he was wrong there but absolutely correct about the potential danger it threatened to the Communist Party
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 08:08
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Andropov's KGB might very well have been involved in the Pope assassination attempt back then.
https://www.dw.com/en/stasi-files-im...ting/a-1538173

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Old 17th Apr 2022, 08:27
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Did Moskva sink in international waters? If so I wonder if the USN are trying to 'inspect' the wreck...
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Yes but, It will be difficult with two jack up rigs sat on top of it.

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Old 17th Apr 2022, 09:20
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
"Juri Andropov was convinced that electing a Polish pope was a scheme of CIA running anti-communism conspiracy in Poland. "

Well he was wrong there but absolutely correct about the potential danger it threatened to the Communist Party

I always thought that the greatest threat to the communist party was truth.
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Originally Posted by Imagegear
Yes but, It will be difficult with two jack up rigs sat on top of it.

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Are the rigs there to help the tractors move it?
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Originally Posted by SRFred
Are the rigs there to help the tractors move it?
Absolutely,
Let them lift it off the bottom then the tractors can drag the whole lot away..

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Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy held a meeting with the crew of the cruiser Moskva in Sevastopol 4/16/2022, 12:58:32 PM

“Commander-in-Chief of the Navy Admiral Nikolai Evmenov and the command of the Black Sea Fleet held a meeting with the crew of the Moskva missile cruiser in Sevastopol,” the agency said in a Telegram message. Evmenov said that the officers, midshipmen and sailors of the cruiser would continue to serve in the Navy. On April 14, the cruiser Moskva sank while being towed in a storm.

Source: russiart 2022-04-16
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 17:19
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
"n the middle of the sea in a warzone is not the place to congregate various vessels to attempt a rescue knowing the ship you are attempting to rescue folks off was hit at that location."

Correct - remember the three British cruisers torpedoed early in WW1 when they tried to rescue the crews of each other..................
Yep - the Hogue, the Cressy and the Aboukir. My great uncle was a stoker on the Aboukir.
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Originally Posted by etudiant
Does anyone know how far offshore the ship was when hit?
If the NATO surveillance aircraft shared the location data with the Ukraine, do they become de facto co belligerents subject to Russian jamming/attack?
ProvIding targeting data is an act of war.
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 20:29
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Originally Posted by Sailvi767
ProvIding targeting data is an act of war.
The Ukrainians had a drone in the air near the ship by all accounts. The ship been sailing a regular patrol pattern I believe. No need for the passage of any data.
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 20:35
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Originally Posted by Sailvi767
ProvIding targeting data is an act of war.
It's position was hardly a secret, given it was basically a vast radio transmitter.

I thought Russia might have gone with this as their excuse, rather than their lame ammunition explosion explanation.
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 21:25
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Originally Posted by Sailvi767
ProvIding targeting data is an act of war.
Where did you get that from?
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Originally Posted by dead_pan
Has been much discussed online - apparently the bridge is very heavily defended.

Still, would be a larf if they could..
Well, the Moskva was the "best" and most heavily defended Russian Naval Proud. And we are writing this thread, because that turned out to be just a hoax.
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