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Old 6th May 2022, 20:51
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What’s the flashpoint of Vodka, would be another question to ask this seemingly amateur Navy.
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Relatives of the russian sailors on the Moskva are possibly hearing that the ship didn't take part in the special operation and that the sinking was an accident from their authorities...
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Some debate going on re what was hit nr Snake island, there is allegedly a landing craft hit carrying a Tor system


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Old 7th May 2022, 11:08
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You can see the jetty at the top on this view, the building they hit after the landing craft, also the previous attack still burning and also another jetty that looks like it has been destroyed


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Old 8th May 2022, 08:26
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Moskva might have been a junker, even according to russian navy report. But he absence is making a big difference on the control of the black sea. The russian are really missing her even degraded capabilities


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A useful comparison with Moskva perhaps?

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Old 8th May 2022, 13:01
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Knowing how small Snake Island is....and how large an importance it has.....one would think the Russians would be checking to see who might be "looking" when they try a helicopter landing or beach assault of the island.

Logically, it would seem that observation of the island would involve the use of Drones/UAV's for tactical use and perhaps Space based for other uses.

Are the Russians unable to determine the presence of Drones and/or UAV's in the airspace overhead Snake Island?

The video of the Mi-8 being destroyed shows a real short reaction time.....as it shows Troops moving immediately adjacent to the Helicopter as it is being struck by a Missile of some kind.
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Why are so many drones identified as "TB2" when they are hovering. TB2 is not a copter.
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Depends who is doing the identification- most journalists arenít interested in the details and just want their story published. Hence ďTB 2Ē becomes a cipher for UKR drone..
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Old 19th May 2022, 21:52
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Wait: TB2 is VTOL capable so technically it CAN hover


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Originally Posted by Sue VÍtements
Wait: TB2 is VTOL capable so technically it CAN hover

Well done.
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Question

When will the Danish Harpoons be in place?

Any chance Taiwan might donate some Hsiung Fen III missiles?
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There are rumours they have been recovering the bodies off the moskva so and future diving expeditions by anyone will not find any.


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Old 27th May 2022, 17:41
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Surprised that the salvage boats were left undisturbed. Are they not legitimate military targets?
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Ukraine respects humanitarian efforts.
Russia doesn't give a damn about anyone or anything ... except Vlad and his crew.
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Plus, why would you use your finite supply of weapons on targets that are not military, you might need them for a seaborne landing.
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Surprised that the salvage boats were left undisturbed. Are they not legitimate military targets?
I am not sure if I should laugh or cry at how utterly out of touch this utterance is.
I'll cover three points:
1. Ukraine isn't in a race with the Russians to go diving for military advantage or intel on that wreck. Before the USSR broke up Ukranians manned those ships in the Black Sea fleet.
2. They have far more pressing priorities than shooting their limited supply of weapons out into the Black Sea: you are aware, I know since we have discussed this, of their difficulty in getting their grain to market.
3. The salvage operation is retrieving the dead. It poses no threat to Ukraine. Why waste precious resources on that when they have a close fight going on all over their own territory and adjacent to their coast.
And lastly, if they start shooting the salvage ships they hand Moscow a propaganda win.
Information/Propaganda/Spin/Misinformation ~ those are also weapons in war, not just bullets.
Welcome to the year 2022, but the same has been true since the Yellow Journalism in the Spanish American War, and even before that.
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Surely the Moskva is now a war grave. Why try to interfere with vessels trying to recover the bodies of the fallen (and other stuff)?
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Because Putin said all the crew got off, if later it’s found to be full of dead sailors he might have problems at home explaining it to the families and Press. If it does indeed have nukes onboard they may have been paranoid at the thought of Ukraine salvaging some.
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Maybe they will secretly restore it and say that it was just out of service for a while - nothing unusual.
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