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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 23:27
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As for ‘Master Aircrewman’ it’s Master Aircrew - where ‘master’ is an adjective. If he thinks that then maybe he should hand back his MA Oxon and MA from KCL as they are obviously sexist and he doesn’t understand what an adjective is either!

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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 23:55
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Ned Ludd is alive and well and is still admired by many on here. Who knew that change could be quite so scary....
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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 00:04
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" Find the enemy and shoot him down. Anything else is rubbish"!

Can't imagine Ricthofen gave a toss about any of this!

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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 05:49
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Originally Posted by Two's in View Post
Ned Ludd is alive and well and is still admired by many on here. Who knew that change could be quite so scary....
What has a resistance to new technology got to do with it? Or are you proving how the misuse of a noun (in your case ‘Luddite’) can, and is, being used out of context?
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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 07:34
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Will this require SSAFA to change their title, I wonder ?
Soldiers Sailors and Air Force Association - Why would it need to be changed?
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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 07:58
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Corporal Clott , 2nd Dec 2021 23:23
Presumably he calls HM Queen Elizabeth ‘the King’ and HRH Princess Royal ‘the Prince’ then? What utter rot.
FYI Her Majesty is the Duke of Lancaster.
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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 08:07
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Originally Posted by gcal View Post
Soldiers Sailors and Air Force Association - Why would it need to be changed?
Because it's the Soldiers, Sailors & Airmens Families Association
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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 08:14
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Originally Posted by gcal View Post
Soldiers Sailors and Air Force Association - Why would it need to be changed?
I'm sure the tri service 'Families Association' won't mind changing their name to get on trend..🤣
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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 08:37
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Originally Posted by Two's in View Post
Ned Ludd is alive and well and is still admired by many on here. Who knew that change could be quite so scary....
You do of course realise that 'Aviator' is also a (M) Male (ie not 'gender neutral') term so therefore the whole 'exercise' is an absolute waste of time and money.
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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 08:55
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"FYI Her Majesty is the Duke of Lancaster."

She is also "our Duke & Queen" in the Channel Islands
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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 10:37
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
"FYI Her Majesty is the Duke of Lancaster."

She is also "our Duke & Queen" in the Channel Islands
Indeed she is, and the Loyal Toast here is "La Reine, notre Duc"
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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 12:10
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Does anyone else remember the wonderful TV series 'M*A*S*H' in which Cpl 'Radar' O'Reilly always referred to Maj Margaret 'Hotlips' Houlihan as 'Sir'? In today's world would that be praised for being inclusive (not that she ever showed signs of identifying as male!!!) or condemned for encouraging the use of an incorrect pronoun?
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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 18:54
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Originally Posted by Foghorn Leghorn View Post
I’ve been told that CAS said today he disagrees with anyone that says aviator is the masculine form; aviatrix being the feminine form. Said that it’s like the word ‘actor’ is now being used to mean actress as well and that actress, as a word to identify gender, is slowly dying out.
And he's right Aviator applies just as well to a female pilot as to a male one.

It does not, however, apply to someone who doesn't fly an aircraft (or crew it).

This is like calling a theatre usherette an 'actor', or a female NHS porter a surgeon. The gender of the term isn't an issue. The appropriateness and accuracy is.

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Old 3rd Dec 2021, 20:59
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I see that the Senior Service know what an Aviator is. Surely not a coincidence with this wording today? RIP Lt Gibb


Of course the Royal Navy and Army have Aviators and Aviatrices too!
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Old 4th Dec 2021, 08:56
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Originally Posted by Jackonicko View Post
And he's right Aviator applies just as well to a female pilot as to a male one.

It does not, however, apply to someone who doesn't fly an aircraft (or crew it).

This is like calling a theatre usherette an 'actor', or a female NHS porter a surgeon. The gender of the term isn't an issue. The appropriateness and accuracy is.
With your logic, airmen applies just as well to female member of the RAF as it does for a male member. Language adapts and changes, I think it’s quite clear that this is the case for airmen. Additionally, it’s only the fact that people are lazy with their language that usher vs usherette is a thing.
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Old 4th Dec 2021, 09:25
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How about Air Folk and Flying Air Folk?
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When i was a pilot officer I wasn't one.

I really wish the higher echelons of the RAF had something more constructive to do.
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Old 4th Dec 2021, 14:15
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Some of the posts on here explain exactly why this is happening.
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Old 4th Dec 2021, 16:59
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As a serving 30-something millennial, who rarely goes near a mil aircraft, yet alone flies in one, being termed an 'aviator' doesn't bother me too much. I haven't worked in a light blue environment for 10+ years, and although I'd go as far as to say the name change is a tad clumsy, it won't impact how I approach my job or how I deal with those around me. I suspect that those who are getting riled up about this have in the main, either never served, or have already left the RAF.

Generally speaking, the things that matter are:
  1. Are you professional?
  2. Can you do your job well?
  3. Can I get on with you?
Now that this appears to have been formally announced, I'd like CAS to move on sorting out some of the creaking infra that our people have to endure, as well as the numerous outdated policies that cause people to leave.
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Old 4th Dec 2021, 18:29
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Now that RAF Cabin Crew are aviators as well as being crewmembers, does that mean they are at last also aircrew, as per the MAA?
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