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Old 1st Dec 2021, 20:06
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So 'Airmen' is not offensive but 'Airhead' is............crazy world ;-)
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Old 1st Dec 2021, 21:03
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A talk show seem to have made the RAF “Plank of the week” Also, the ‘next generation’ young woman doesn’t seem very impressed with the suggested name change either!
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Old 1st Dec 2021, 23:27
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Since many on this forum are ex-military, shouldn't we be referring to Gen "X-ray", Gen "Yankee" and, dare I say it: Gen "Zulu"?
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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 06:52
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The RCAF changed from 'Private' to 'Aviator' in 2014 because it is 'Gender Neutral'
S'Funny though - Aviator is derived from the French 'Aviateur' which is (M) Masculine LOL - Aviatrice was (F) Feminine
So really not sure how 'Aviator' can be described as 'Gender Neutral'.
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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 08:29
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Originally Posted by The B Word
Anson Harris:


From: https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...e-armed-forces

I’m not seeing the withering that you’re predicting??
i would be a little cautious about those figures and using them as a basis to suggest recruitment is going well.

When the initial impact of the pandemic began to take effect, there were many predictions as to job losses in the future along with organisations furloughing personnel.

Historically, any form of economic downturn has always benefitted Armed Forces recruitment . This is not to suggest the RAF doesn't hold an attraction, it always will, but also, please bear in mind many of those joining no longer see doing so as a full career option. The view for many is that service in the RAF will be a contributor to a portfolio of career changes and options for them.
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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 08:43
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Originally Posted by Corporal Clott
A talk show seem to have made the RAF “Plank of the week” Also, the ‘next generation’ young woman doesn’t seem very impressed with the suggested name change either!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suprNAiS6x8
An extremely right wing talk show...
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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 08:56
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Originally Posted by Corporal Clott
A talk show seem to have made the RAF “Plank of the week” Also, the ‘next generation’ young woman doesn’t seem very impressed with the suggested name change either!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suprNAiS6x8

Anyone using that inane rubbish to support their argument is actually doing themselves a disservice…
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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 08:57
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Originally Posted by longer ron
The RCAF changed from 'Private' to 'Aviator' in 2014 because it is 'Gender Neutral'
S'Funny though - Aviator is derived from the French 'Aviateur' which is (M) Masculine LOL - Aviatrice was (F) Feminine
So really not sure how 'Aviator' can be described as 'Gender Neutral'.
A retrograde step surely? How can Private be anything other than gender neutral?
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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 11:54
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Originally Posted by anson harris
I did read it. You seriously think that "airman" or "airmen" is a term that most people would look at and think "oh yes, that includes everyone" and particularly for a young woman wanting to join: "yes, that sounds like a modern organisation that would value my contribution"? You can think what you like of me, but the reality is that the Armed Forces must adapt, or wither on the vine. The sooner you accept that, the easier life will become.
No. Not really. Any young woman too shallow and insecure to actively decide against joining the RAF coz they might be referred to as an Airman is not worth having.
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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 11:56
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Gen interested, what sort of topics are Associations currently holding the Govt to account on?
Off the top of my head: pensions, terms of service, and accommodation issues on stn.

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Originally Posted by Jimlad1
"The people serving now have a 'champion' in the form of Veterans. We have a voice and can hold the government to account by using said voice through associations etc."

Having seen the attitudes on display here by 'veterans' I am genuinely embarrassed and ashamed to think that you feel your views reflect the modern military. Please don't presume to speak on behalf of it because your values, standards and conduct are woefully out of line with those serving.

Stop presuming that the system is the same now as it was when you were in - it isn't.

Frankly there is nothing more cringeworthy than encountering retired veterans who assume that they a) know what is genuinely going on in the military today and b) that the modern military want them to 'fight their corner' because frankly they don't.
Your insecurity and faux embarrassment is not my problem. I only left 6 years ago and have mates who are on the front line, so it is not as if I am just swinging the lantern and talking only about the Cold War.

You are talking hoop and your presumptions have been shot to pieces by more than a few posters below you. If you are the Thin Pinstriped Line blogger, then the sinking feeling of constantly missing the mark and getting facts wrong should be familiar to you...


Learn from this.
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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 12:10
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Originally Posted by Vortex Hoop
Off the top of my head: pensions, terms of service, and accommodation issues on stn.

You and I clearly have VERY different expectations of what being held to account means then!
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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 12:40
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Originally Posted by Vortex Hoop
Your insecurity and faux embarrassment is not my problem. I only left 6 years ago and have mates who are on the front line, so it is not as if I am just swinging the lantern and talking only about the Cold War.

You are talking hoop and your presumptions have been shot to pieces by more than a few posters below you. If you are the Thin Pinstriped Line blogger, then the sinking feeling of constantly missing the mark and getting facts wrong should be familiar to you...


Learn from this.
The only thing I've learned from this is that scientists have discovered a new breed of dinosaur called "whatapompousarserex'.

Learn from this.,
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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 13:42
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Originally Posted by Vortex Hoop
Your insecurity and faux embarrassment is not my problem. I only left 6 years ago and have mates who are on the front line, so it is not as if I am just swinging the lantern and talking only about the Cold War.

You are talking hoop and your presumptions have been shot to pieces by more than a few posters below you. If you are the Thin Pinstriped Line blogger, then the sinking feeling of constantly missing the mark and getting facts wrong should be familiar to you...


Learn from this.
WELL SAID Vortex Hoop!!!

Lets call Jimlad out for his ageist sentiments, oh, the young are so, so wise.


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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 13:46
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Originally Posted by muppetofthenorth
An extremely right wing talk show...
As an aside, one of the characters seen on-screen there (Mike Graham) was recently to be heard claiming that concrete can be grown naturally...
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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 15:19
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
so what happens to LAC or SAC? As that is still Aircraftsman
Surely they will end up as LA or SA - Leading or Senior Aviator?

Though I have some pity for the Acting Aviators!
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So will the Wokemeister be inviting Her Majesty to reissue all of the Commissioning Scrolls that legally enforce the powers granted by the Sovereign? It clearly states “Airman” and “Airwoman” on them all? In fact, I do wonder if Her Majesty was even consulted?

I do hope that we have offered this very basic of courtesies to ask the Commander in Chief of the UK Armed Forces. It would also seem that the depth of feeling in a recent internal survey has been totally ignored. This is very poor in my view as it would seem that any surveys are now null and void.


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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 22:48
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I’ve been told that CAS said today he disagrees with anyone that says aviator is the masculine form; aviatrix being the feminine form. Said that it’s like the word ‘actor’ is now being used to mean actress as well and that actress, as a word to identify gender, is slowly dying out.

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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 23:15
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So you've all filled in the survey on MODNET then? Because it affects you all?
What's the point? Most of the people around me received the link yesterday, after CAS had leaked the fact that the decision had already been made ... Master Aircrewman and Air Loadmaster will be reviewed later ... apparently.
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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 23:23
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Presumably he calls HM Queen Elizabeth ‘the King’ and HRH Princess Royal ‘the Prince’ then? What utter rot.

Wrong in terms of gender to use ‘Aviator’ for all and wrong for it’s misuse against it’s meaning for someone who flies. Any fool knows that… or maybe not!
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