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A talk show seem to have made the RAF “Plank of the week” 
Also, the ‘next generation’ young woman doesn’t seem very impressed with the suggested name change either!
Also, the ‘next generation’ young woman doesn’t seem very impressed with the suggested name change either!
The RCAF changed from 'Private' to 'Aviator' in 2014 because it is 'Gender Neutral' 
S'Funny though - Aviator is derived from the French 'Aviateur' which is (M) Masculine LOL - Aviatrice was (F) Feminine
So really not sure how 'Aviator' can be described as 'Gender Neutral'.
S'Funny though - Aviator is derived from the French 'Aviateur' which is (M) Masculine LOL - Aviatrice was (F) Feminine
So really not sure how 'Aviator' can be described as 'Gender Neutral'.
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Anson Harris:
From: https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...e-armed-forces
I’m not seeing the withering that you’re predicting??
From: https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...e-armed-forces
I’m not seeing the withering that you’re predicting??
When the initial impact of the pandemic began to take effect, there were many predictions as to job losses in the future along with organisations furloughing personnel.
Historically, any form of economic downturn has always benefitted Armed Forces recruitment . This is not to suggest the RAF doesn't hold an attraction, it always will, but also, please bear in mind many of those joining no longer see doing so as a full career option. The view for many is that service in the RAF will be a contributor to a portfolio of career changes and options for them.
A talk show seem to have made the RAF “Plank of the week” Also, the ‘next generation’ young woman doesn’t seem very impressed with the suggested name change either!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suprNAiS6x8
Also, the ‘next generation’ young woman doesn’t seem very impressed with the suggested name change either!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suprNAiS6x8
A talk show seem to have made the RAF “Plank of the week” Also, the ‘next generation’ young woman doesn’t seem very impressed with the suggested name change either!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suprNAiS6x8
Also, the ‘next generation’ young woman doesn’t seem very impressed with the suggested name change either!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suprNAiS6x8
Anyone using that inane rubbish to support their argument is actually doing themselves a disservice…
The RCAF changed from 'Private' to 'Aviator' in 2014 because it is 'Gender Neutral'
S'Funny though - Aviator is derived from the French 'Aviateur' which is (M) Masculine LOL - Aviatrice was (F) Feminine
So really not sure how 'Aviator' can be described as 'Gender Neutral'.
S'Funny though - Aviator is derived from the French 'Aviateur' which is (M) Masculine LOL - Aviatrice was (F) Feminine
So really not sure how 'Aviator' can be described as 'Gender Neutral'.
I did read it. You seriously think that "airman" or "airmen" is a term that most people would look at and think "oh yes, that includes everyone" and particularly for a young woman wanting to join: "yes, that sounds like a modern organisation that would value my contribution"? You can think what you like of me, but the reality is that the Armed Forces must adapt, or wither on the vine. The sooner you accept that, the easier life will become.
"The people serving now have a 'champion' in the form of Veterans. We have a voice and can hold the government to account by using said voice through associations etc."
Having seen the attitudes on display here by 'veterans' I am genuinely embarrassed and ashamed to think that you feel your views reflect the modern military. Please don't presume to speak on behalf of it because your values, standards and conduct are woefully out of line with those serving.
Stop presuming that the system is the same now as it was when you were in - it isn't.
Frankly there is nothing more cringeworthy than encountering retired veterans who assume that they a) know what is genuinely going on in the military today and b) that the modern military want them to 'fight their corner' because frankly they don't.
Having seen the attitudes on display here by 'veterans' I am genuinely embarrassed and ashamed to think that you feel your views reflect the modern military. Please don't presume to speak on behalf of it because your values, standards and conduct are woefully out of line with those serving.
Stop presuming that the system is the same now as it was when you were in - it isn't.
Frankly there is nothing more cringeworthy than encountering retired veterans who assume that they a) know what is genuinely going on in the military today and b) that the modern military want them to 'fight their corner' because frankly they don't.
You are talking hoop and your presumptions have been shot to pieces by more than a few posters below you. If you are the Thin Pinstriped Line blogger, then the sinking feeling of constantly missing the mark and getting facts wrong should be familiar to you...
Learn from this.
Your insecurity and faux embarrassment is not my problem. I only left 6 years ago and have mates who are on the front line, so it is not as if I am just swinging the lantern and talking only about the Cold War.
You are talking hoop and your presumptions have been shot to pieces by more than a few posters below you. If you are the Thin Pinstriped Line blogger, then the sinking feeling of constantly missing the mark and getting facts wrong should be familiar to you...
Learn from this.
You are talking hoop and your presumptions have been shot to pieces by more than a few posters below you. If you are the Thin Pinstriped Line blogger, then the sinking feeling of constantly missing the mark and getting facts wrong should be familiar to you...
Learn from this.
Learn from this.,
Your insecurity and faux embarrassment is not my problem. I only left 6 years ago and have mates who are on the front line, so it is not as if I am just swinging the lantern and talking only about the Cold War.
You are talking hoop and your presumptions have been shot to pieces by more than a few posters below you. If you are the Thin Pinstriped Line blogger, then the sinking feeling of constantly missing the mark and getting facts wrong should be familiar to you...
Learn from this.
You are talking hoop and your presumptions have been shot to pieces by more than a few posters below you. If you are the Thin Pinstriped Line blogger, then the sinking feeling of constantly missing the mark and getting facts wrong should be familiar to you...
Learn from this.
Lets call Jimlad out for his ageist sentiments, oh, the young are so, so wise.
So will the Wokemeister be inviting Her Majesty to reissue all of the Commissioning Scrolls that legally enforce the powers granted by the Sovereign? It clearly states “Airman” and “Airwoman” on them all? In fact, I do wonder if Her Majesty was even consulted?
I do hope that we have offered this very basic of courtesies to ask the Commander in Chief of the UK Armed Forces. It would also seem that the depth of feeling in a recent internal survey has been totally ignored. This is very poor in my view as it would seem that any surveys are now null and void.
I do hope that we have offered this very basic of courtesies to ask the Commander in Chief of the UK Armed Forces. It would also seem that the depth of feeling in a recent internal survey has been totally ignored. This is very poor in my view as it would seem that any surveys are now null and void.
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I’ve been told that CAS said today he disagrees with anyone that says aviator is the masculine form; aviatrix being the feminine form. Said that it’s like the word ‘actor’ is now being used to mean actress as well and that actress, as a word to identify gender, is slowly dying out.
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What's the point? Most of the people around me received the link yesterday, after CAS had leaked the fact that the decision had already been made ... Master Aircrewman and Air Loadmaster will be reviewed later ... apparently.
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Presumably he calls HM Queen Elizabeth ‘the King’ and HRH Princess Royal ‘the Prince’ then? What utter rot. 
Wrong in terms of gender to use ‘Aviator’ for all and wrong for it’s misuse against it’s meaning for someone who flies. Any fool knows that… or maybe not!
Wrong in terms of gender to use ‘Aviator’ for all and wrong for it’s misuse against it’s meaning for someone who flies. Any fool knows that… or maybe not!