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Likely a money saving idea however.
Hmm - not the same and not a great precedent - they were all late in delivery and they got later as time went one - the last one was over 3 years late I think
And the list of problems is typical -. SSN's are much more complex and the problems (and costs) escalate likewise. Best to rent/lease if you can until you understand more about ALL the issues involved.
A thought i just had is conditions for resale. I believe the Oz F35 contract gives US the right to veto if we sell these planes. This came about because we sold Mirages to Pakistan who promptly made them capable of delivering muclear ordinance against US allies. And HMAS Melbourne was sold to China with intact catapults and arrester systems helping kick start Chinas carrier force. So any SSN deal will need a veto of who Autralia can resell these to!
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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I can’t think of. Military jet sale in the last 50 years which didn’t have a veto on resale without authorisation in it.
Hmm - not the same and not a great precedent - they were all late in delivery and they got later as time went one - the last one was over 3 years late I think
And the list of problems is typical -. SSN's are much more complex and the problems (and costs) escalate likewise. Best to rent/lease if you can until you understand more about ALL the issues involved.
And the list of problems is typical -. SSN's are much more complex and the problems (and costs) escalate likewise. Best to rent/lease if you can until you understand more about ALL the issues involved.
I thought they were on track for around US$600m per copy.
Pretty much on time and on budget was what I had read.
For arguments sake - if it was to go ahead - how many B-21s does the armchair hive mind think `straya would need?
That said, we'd have to wait in line behind the USAF...
Are they?
I thought they were on track for around US$600m per copy.
Pretty much on time and on budget was what I had read.
For arguments sake - if it was to go ahead - how many B-21s does the armchair hive mind think `straya would need?
That said, we'd have to wait in line behind the USAF...
I thought they were on track for around US$600m per copy.
Pretty much on time and on budget was what I had read.
For arguments sake - if it was to go ahead - how many B-21s does the armchair hive mind think `straya would need?
That said, we'd have to wait in line behind the USAF...
Has that number been floated somewhere?
If not - what's the rationale - thinking - we had 24 pigs, therefore replace like for like?
I wonder if a smaller number might meet needs - more advanced platform, more lethal, longer range loadout etc.
Last edited by tartare; 27th Oct 2022 at 06:10.
Interested in the 24 number - assuming you mean notionally Australia would need 24 B-21s?
Has that number been floated somewhere?
If not - what's the rationale - thinking - we had 24 pigs, therefore replace like for like?
I wonder if a smaller number might meet needs - more advanced platform, more lethal, longer range loadout etc.
Has that number been floated somewhere?
If not - what's the rationale - thinking - we had 24 pigs, therefore replace like for like?
I wonder if a smaller number might meet needs - more advanced platform, more lethal, longer range loadout etc.
The US are planning on 100 x B-21's but given previous procurement of hi-tech (only 21 B-2's) they'll be lucky to finish up with 50 (and I'm sure the USAF thinks that way as well).
The idea that Australia could afford and field 24 is fantasy - even if Congress would allow their export.
Just give the US basing rights
The idea that Australia could afford and field 24 is fantasy - even if Congress would allow their export.
Just give the US basing rights
Because the Super Hornets & Growlers perform a significant amount of the attack role, I think that a single squadron of B-21’s would be required for the long range strategic role. They are very capable aircraft so a total of 15 would be sufficient to have 10-12 serviceable each day which would achieve the required capability & deterrent.
How many is secondary to our CONOPS, Should we get them in the first place? How do they fit into our plan and budget. Then it becomes mission and how many we need to fulfil that.
The fiscal situation in Aus, is dire! Just like the rest of the world. Highly unlikely to be any money for an aircraft that is yet to be seen, let alone that it is yet to fly.
Pretty hard to beat the strategic deterrent of Nuke Subs, packed with Precision Long Range fires and a loitering time of months. I know where I want my tax money spent.
Pretty hard to beat the strategic deterrent of Nuke Subs, packed with Precision Long Range fires and a loitering time of months. I know where I want my tax money spent.
In today's Australian (paywalled)
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...00375fa7445d52
Defence has been given the green light to purchase a new $155m ship to help establish a new network of undersea sensors off the nation’s coast to detect foreign submarines and autonomous underwater vehicles.
The funding for the vessel was quietly listed in Tuesday’s budget – the ship’s first official mention by the government.
So - an underwater Jindalee.
Surprised there isn't one already.
Know about the South East Asian `hook' that keeps an ear on Chinese subs and ships - and had always wondered if something like that lurked on the sea bed around our Northern reaches...
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...00375fa7445d52
Defence has been given the green light to purchase a new $155m ship to help establish a new network of undersea sensors off the nation’s coast to detect foreign submarines and autonomous underwater vehicles.
The funding for the vessel was quietly listed in Tuesday’s budget – the ship’s first official mention by the government.
So - an underwater Jindalee.
Surprised there isn't one already.
Know about the South East Asian `hook' that keeps an ear on Chinese subs and ships - and had always wondered if something like that lurked on the sea bed around our Northern reaches...
Last edited by tartare; 28th Oct 2022 at 03:37.
The fiscal situation in Aus, is dire! Just like the rest of the world. Highly unlikely to be any money for an aircraft that is yet to be seen, let alone that it is yet to fly.
Pretty hard to beat the strategic deterrent of Nuke Subs, packed with Precision Long Range fires and a loitering time of months. I know where I want my tax money spent.
Pretty hard to beat the strategic deterrent of Nuke Subs, packed with Precision Long Range fires and a loitering time of months. I know where I want my tax money spent.
Last edited by Going Boeing; 28th Oct 2022 at 20:58.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-...alia/101585380
possibility of a semi permanent deployment of B-52's to australia, same facilities would be usable for B-21's
possibility of a semi permanent deployment of B-52's to australia, same facilities would be usable for B-21's
Now that makes sense - move them basing south from Guam - which is now well within range of missiles
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-...alia/101585380
possibility of a semi permanent deployment of B-52's to australia, same facilities would be usable for B-21's
possibility of a semi permanent deployment of B-52's to australia, same facilities would be usable for B-21's
B 52s operated out of Darwin on a regular basis in the 90's. Says a lot more about the longevity of the airframe than the current geo-political situation. There is one in a museum at Darwin Airport after they stopped coming here as a memento of its service. If it could talk it would say "I'll be back!"