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The F-35 thread, Mk II

Old 29th May 2024, 08:42
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And now they know……. in case of emergencies, control alt delete…..
https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/i...ms-khibiny-ew/
This is an old story. Heavily questioned back then.
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F35B lost on delivery flight yesterday, according to Aviation Safety website.
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Old 29th May 2024, 13:06
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There's a thread about that already.
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Old 29th May 2024, 13:41
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Originally Posted by RAFEngO74to09
The F-35 crash today has been confirmed as a USMC F-35B ... It needed a fuel stop!...
F-35 Down in Albuquerque
Some F-35 stats of old.



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Old 29th May 2024, 17:53
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Originally Posted by henra
This is an old story. Heavily questioned back then.
As henra says this is an old story being rehashed yet again, been going since 2021 at least. There was a thread running on F-16.net about it last year.
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Old 31st May 2024, 16:01
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https://theaviationist.com/2024/05/3...-nuclear-role/

May 31st 2024 - The F-35s Will Take Over The Netherlands’ Nuclear Role Within NATO Starting Tomorrow
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Old 31st May 2024, 18:45
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18 years from first flight and still not FMC. The design is now so old that the computer updates are effectively a mid life refit on an airplane that still is not sorted. It is sad how far the US Military and Industrial complex has fallen in its ability to provide fit for purpose kit to the USAF.
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Are you aware of how many F-35s are currently operational?
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Originally Posted by Big Pistons Forever
18 years from first flight and still not FMC. The design is now so old that the computer updates are effectively a mid life refit on an airplane that still is not sorted. It is sad how far the US Military and Industrial complex has fallen in its ability to provide fit for purpose kit to the USAF.
I don't disagree with anyone saying block 4, new radar and engine 2030, is like a midlife update. It is very significant. Your fit for purpose is unfounded.
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Old 1st Jun 2024, 07:40
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Originally Posted by Big Pistons Forever
18 years from first flight and still not FMC. The design is now so old that the computer updates are effectively a mid life refit on an airplane that still is not sorted.
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The computers/sensors of the pre- TR3 F-35 are still way more modern/powerful than 95% of the rest of fighter aircraft (and that is of the 'modern' Western ones).
TR3 will just massively increase the gap.
You can complain about maybe higher maintenance costs than advertised. Maybe somewhat lower availabilities (but that is difficult to judge because there are many variables) but complaining that F-35 is outdated while flying F-18C is -hmmmm- courageous.
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Old 1st Jun 2024, 08:03
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TR3 will just massively increase the gap.
When they can get the software to work and the promised Block 4 weapons integrated….

​​​​​​​In a 25-page prepared testimony for the hearing, which closed shortly after it began, Schmidt said that a “Technical Baseline Review” of the F-35 “assessed that numerous Block 4 capabilities will not deliver until the 2030s due to technical complexity, software efficiency, human and financial resourcing, flight test capacity, lab quality and capacity, and a lack of defined requirements.”
By which it will be 15 year old technology and F/A-XX, NGAD, Tempest etc will, hopefully, be using next generation open architecture systems.

Let’s frank - everyone is buying the F-35 because they believed the promises and, as a result, there isn’t a real alternative on the market as there was in the time of the F-15, F-16, F-18, Typhoon.

​​​​​​​I don’t think anyone is going to make that mistake again. And, at a rumoured $500M a pop, NGAD isn’t really being eyed as a replacement.
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By which it will be 15 year old technology and F/A-XX, NGAD, Tempest etc will, hopefully, be using next generation open architecture systems.
Yes, I'm sure those fantasy aircraft (that don't exist yet) will enter service and be perfect straight away. Pure fantasy...
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Old 1st Jun 2024, 09:57
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Let’s frank - everyone is buying the F-35 because they believed the promises and, as a result, there isn’t a real alternative on the market as there was in the time of the F-15, F-16, F-18, Typhoon.
There are alternatives on the market but not with comparable capabilities. And all that at a price in the ballpark of the previous generation. Rafale + Typhoon are not cheaper - rather the contrary.
I don’t think anyone is going to make that mistake again. And, at a rumoured $500M a pop, NGAD isn’t really being eyed as a replacement.
In case of NGAD a lot will depend on quantities. 500m won't be the manufacturing costs of a single unit especially if it is mass- produced. 500m will be the consequence of high R&D costs spread over only 200something units.
I don't know if there will be open competition on the market with NGAD vs, Tempest vs. SCAF/FCAS. I could imagine especially at the beginning there might be tight restrictions especially with NGAD. USAF likes (understandably) to keep Air Dominance assured to itself.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
By which it will be 15 year old technology and F/A-XX, NGAD, Tempest etc will, hopefully, be using next generation open architecture systems.
Yes, I'm sure those fantasy aircraft (that don't exist yet) will enter service and be perfect straight away. Pure fantasy...
This is a standard FUD line and we'll hear a lot of it as F-35, fully funded since the end of 1996, struggles to stabilize its schedule. (And before anyone goes but Typhoon, but Rafale! one had a major partner who tried to cancel it and the other was slowed down intentionally because the PCW AdlA was knee deep in new M2000s.)

If nobody can do better than F-35 or V-22, we might as well start learning Mandarin.
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Let’s frank - everyone is buying the F-35 because they believed the promises.
TBH, eight years ago I would have predicted that well before now, the U.S. would have spent enough money to get F-35 on a predictable schedule without outstanding major issues.
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Navy and Air Force fighters to train as a joint force in NAWCAD’s Joint Simulation Environment 02 Apr 2024
https://www.dvidshub.net/news/467560...on-environment
"...NAWCAD installed a division of four U.S. Air Force F-22 Raptor cockpits into the Navy’s premier simulation test and training facility alongside its division of eight F-35 Lightning cockpits in January....

...The new addition of fifth-generation fighter simulators brings Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and allied partners into the hyper-realistic digital range that consists of cockpits, domed simulators with 4K projectors, and aircraft software to enable pilots to fly wartime scenarios in a near-exact virtual environment. Tactical groups training in NAWCAD’s JSE fly more sorties over one week than they do over a year on open-air ranges....

...The JSE was initially designed to support F-35 Lightning’s operational testing as there was no way to safely and adequately represent real-world conflict on an open-air range. Today, the DOD is scaling the Navy’s technology for additional digital range facilities supporting programs like F-35, F-22, and E-2D. In addition, the DOD has made training in the JSE a formal part of the Navy’s Strike Fighter Tactics Instructor Program—commonly known as TOPGUN...."
TWISTING METTLE: Joint Simulation Environment Gives F-35 Pilots A Threat They Can Learn From By Rob Perry NAVAL AVIATION NEWS Year in Review 2023
https://navalaviationnews.navy.mil/P...AN_YIR2023.pdf (9Mb)

"A new training simulator at the Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division (NAWCAD) is stressing out F-35 Lightning II pilots in a good way....

...A smaller, “light” version of the JSE is currently deployed aboard USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70), and Greer said they are working to make it better and integrate it with other platforms in the airwing and have a JSE deployed with the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72) next year.

“We’ve leveraged lessons learned and expertise gained in developing JSE to rapidly close the F-35 training gap for CVN-70,” Summers said. “Less than six months after funding showed up, we delivered that capability to support the F-35 squadron that is currently deployed.”

“The first F-35C squadron, [Strike Fighter Squadron] VFA-147, deployed two years ago and had no F-35 trainer at all. The minute that carrier pulled away from the dock, the skills of those F-35 pilots started [degrading] and gradually continued [degrading] throughout the deployment. That’s really bad for us, so we’re trying to do something about it,” Greer said."
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The first 3 sentences of the Swiss website. To call out the trolls and I guess those who make a living out of trolling the F-35

Swiss F-35 - "The right fighter jet for Switzerland" (swiss-f35.ch)

The Federal Council has selected the F-35A as its new fighter aircraft.

Unfortunately, opponents of the army and those who prefer a different type of aircraft are trying to discredit the F-35A for political and other reasons. This website is intended to be a fact-based counterpoint to this.
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Old 2nd Jun 2024, 12:11
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https://www.twz.com/air/usaf-f-35s-a...-in-their-bays

USAF F-35s Are Officially Getting Joint Strike Cruise Missiles That Fit In Their Bays

Joint Strike Missiles will give Air Force F-35A new options for conducting stand-off strikes, especially in the maritime domain
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Swiss F-35 - "The right fighter jet for Switzerland" (swiss-f35.ch)

Totally convincing, and not a sign of panic over national buyer's remorse, no sir, Oh, and right now "other reasons" would include the established fact that nobody at this point is quite sure what configuration will be delivered in 2028.

And from the front page: "Switzerland will continue to be able to independently and autonomously determine which data it will exchange with which partners or manufacturers." And they say the Swiss aren't known for humor! I'm sure that there are a few people here who might be able to put them straight on that, or maybe they can try that line out with the 350th Spectrum Warfare Group at Eglin.

And they managed to build that whole site for just over $1000, in Switzerland.

https://swiss-f35.ch/ueber-uns/sponsoren/

An economic miracle, indeed. And you can get a free set of stickers for your 100 CHF donation!


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Old 4th Jun 2024, 06:36
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I'm sure the cost of the website. Doesn't compare to what Bill Sweetman was being paid per word. For promoting the 6th gen Gripen. Weren't there also air fares and accommodation paid?
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