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The F-35 thread, Mk II

Old 26th May 2024, 00:30
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Originally Posted by LowObservable
More lessons learned:
Any strategy needs a Plan B, and Plan B should be better than “so we retreat as far as Smolensk, where we all starve to death in a snowbank.”

Bill Sweetman shares 10 ways GCAP can avoid the hell of the F-35 project with little or no effort | Hush-Kit (hushkit.net)
You’re not as informed as you think you are Bill. Funny how you’ve come out the woodwork when you’ve got a book (and agenda) to promote.
It’s amazing how you know the F136 (an engine that never got installed in the jet and flew) could have solved all your “thermal issues”. I’d ask what you’re selling…
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Old 26th May 2024, 00:42
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You’re not as informed as you think you are Bill. Funny how you’ve come out the woodwork when you’ve got a book (and agenda) to promote.
It’s amazing how you know the F136 (an engine that never got installed in the jet and flew) could have solved all your “thermal issues”. I’d ask what you’re selling…
I have a course on middle-school literacy I can sell you - alleviated =/= solved. Amazing how program fans seem to misrepresent criticisms all the time. The F136 was described at the time as being designed with higher core airflow to meet emerging needs, which is also what the current (sole-source, high-margin) upgrade is supposed to do.

If the program was doing well, I wouldn't have anything to promote. And my agenda is in favour of programs that come in on cost and schedule and that do what it says on the tin. If that's bias, so be it.
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Old 26th May 2024, 02:32
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I have a course on middle-school literacy I can sell you - alleviated =/= solved. Amazing how program fans seem to misrepresent criticisms all the time. The F136 was described at the time as being designed with higher core airflow to meet emerging needs, which is also what the current (sole-source, high-margin) upgrade is supposed to do.

If the program was doing well, I wouldn't have anything to promote. And my agenda is in favour of programs that come in on cost and schedule and that do what it says on the tin. If that's bias, so be it.
Take your agenda elsewhere. I’m no fan of the JPO, but your anti-LM and anti-F35 bias is tiresome. But to be expected from someone who worked for a competitor and relies on “OSINT” for their data
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Old 26th May 2024, 05:02
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Looks someone set on smearing and killing the messenger rather than their message using facts.

They are doubtless without bias or a interest of course…
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Old 26th May 2024, 07:28
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But when it comes to influence operations, LM and RTX are supreme.
Ohh, I don't want to defend LM, I'm sure they are masters at that. Otherwise wouldn't have won JSF. Just stating that I always take such revelations with a tiny grain of salt. In our society of dominance of public opinion I have gotten used to ask myself: Cui bono?.
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Take your agenda elsewhere. I’m no fan of the JPO, but your anti-LM and anti-F35 bias is tiresome. But to be expected from someone who worked for a competitor and relies on “OSINT” for their data
Errm - I know you hate facts, but the company I worked for was the largest subcontractor on the F-35 (RTX has knocked them down to #2 now, I would guess). And your information is as good as mine unless you're read-in, in which case you should not be talking.
By the way, the largest source of data in my book is official government documentation, including sworn testimony to Congress.
And I think I'll stick around, unless somehow you're the Lord and Master of PPrune.
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Old 27th May 2024, 06:17
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Errm - I know you hate facts, but the company I worked for was the largest subcontractor on the F-35 (RTX has knocked them down to #2 now, I would guess). And your information is as good as mine unless you're read-in, in which case you should not be talking.
By the way, the largest source of data in my book is official government documentation, including sworn testimony to Congress.
And I think I'll stick around, unless somehow you're the Lord and Master of PPrune.
Yes, I'm read in. I know exactly what I can and can't talk about, so thanks for the "advice". But you are correct in your assumption that your information is not as good as mine - I'll give you that.
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Old 27th May 2024, 10:48
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Yes, I'm read in. I know exactly what I can and can't talk about, so thanks for the "advice". But you are correct in your assumption that your information is not as good as mine - I'll give you that.
Well. Nothing like waiting through ten messages to discover that you have a direct interest in discrediting me, while minging at me for my "agenda"; claiming superior knowledge (which of course you can't disclose); and then - publicly - stating you're read in. (You'll be wearing your program badge in Rick's next, you naughty boy.)

But fortunately, at this point, the history of program insiders and leaders making false claims and statements is long enough that I don't have to be impressed.

Also, many thanks for confirming that people working for the program consider themselves authorized to join the F-35 Troll Army and disparage critics in public, even with social-media records that would ID them to any well-resourced agency. Next edition, go!

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Old 27th May 2024, 13:53
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Note the above is not doxxing or a threat to do so, but a reminder that SM identities are not hackproof.
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Old 28th May 2024, 02:00
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Looks someone set on smearing and killing the messenger rather than their message using facts.

They are doubtless without bias or a interest of course…
The message is that TR3 is running late. The F-35 hardware doesn't do what is needed. They are waiting on the updated hardware. To fulfil block 4 and are looking at 2030. They are separating what can be done now and are going to release that.

As to the doom and gloom FUD, that feed jacko and low. That other naysayers hang on in their quest for a bad headline. I note that in this and the AUKUS thread. I have pointed to a few of your links to be just rubbish. Suggesting you read them, before posting.

Since the TR3 delay was announced June 2003 and deliveries stopped. How many countries after that date have announced their intention to buy F-35? Or those with the F-35 announcing that they will buy more? I can think of several, but there maybe more. That I didn't notice.

So are all these countries stupid, or is it just a few clowns on the internet?

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So are all these countries stupid, or is it just a few clowns on the internet?
I am sure the GAO and the members in the various defense committees in Congress feel suitably chastened.
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Old 28th May 2024, 12:17
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I am sure the GAO and the members in the various defense committees in Congress feel suitably chastened.
The data from GAO, and the rest of the news, is at odds with the program's success on the export market, a topic addressed in 1800-some words in the book, with chapter, verse, and footnotes. But if you truly believe that the defense enterprise at this level is some kind of idealized Smithian free market, I have an F-104 to sell you.

As for the collective intelligence of government buyers, I will leave you with the attached, from Norway's official F-35 spokesman. Norway's aircraft were delivered in TR-2/Block 3 standards, so he is referring to the TR-3/Block 4 upgrade. How, he wonders in 2016, could anyone be so silly as to suggest that there was any risk involved?


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Old 28th May 2024, 12:23
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Originally Posted by golder
So are all these countries stupid, or is it just a few clowns on the internet?
Clowns?



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Old 28th May 2024, 12:30
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Had a quick search to see if this is already on, if so mods feel free to remove.

https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/i...ms-khibiny-ew/
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Old 28th May 2024, 13:36
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Had a quick search to see if this is already on, if so mods feel free to remove.

https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/i...ms-khibiny-ew/
Hmm. (Of course, no other trade media is under pressure from advertisers, no sir no way.)

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Well this has to be concerning re the F35

And now they know……. in case of emergencies, control alt delete…..

Italian F-35A Pilot Reboot Own System After Coming Under Attack From Russian Su-30SM’s “Khibiny EW”

Confronted with the malfunctioning systems of the F-35A, the Italian pilot realized that his aircraft was under attack by the "Khibiny" electronic warfare system carried by the Russian Su-30SM fighter jet he was facing.



The Russian fighter jet was forced to intercept the Italian F-35 after the American-made fifth-generation fighter came too close to the AN-12 transport plane it was escorting.

“The Russian fighter appeared suddenly. I was very confused because I did not expect it to be that close,” stated the Italian F-35 pilot regarding the unexpected proximity of the Russian Su-30SM.


The Russian jet stubbornly remained close to the Italian F-35A, during which time the advanced detection and warning system of the Lockheed Martin aircraft “failed to function,” forcing the pilot to “restart it multiple times” to ensure it was operational again.

Translate to professional journalist English:
The pilot of the Italian F-35A had been repeatedly warned that the Russian fighter jets might be employing an electronic warfare system known as “Khibiny.”


The “Khibiny” electronic warfare (EW) system has been upgraded several times and is currently not only employed by the Su-30 but also the Su-34.

Faced with the malfunctioning of the systems on the F-35A, the Italian pilot realized that his aircraft was under attack by the “Khibiny” electronic warfare system carried by the Russian Su-30SM fighters he was confronting.

As the Russian fighter rapidly approached, the Italian pilot executed the trained response to such situations: he attempted a “reboot” and tried to distance himself from the Russian aircraft.

However, the attempt was unsuccessful, and both fighter jets came extremely close to each other.

The Italian pilot stated that typically, in border areas, fighter jets merely signal warnings but not in this incident, where his aircraft became a target of electronic warfare by the Russian plane.



Suddenly, the Su-30SM vanished from sight and once again the detection system of the F-35A malfunctioned. The Su-30SM then reappeared abruptly in front of and very close to the F-35A.”

“Suddenly, I was paralyzed with fear. I did not expect such a dangerous maneuver from the Russian pilot,” said the Italian pilot, adding that several systems on the aircraft began to malfunction again.

The situation persisted for a while before the Russian Su-30SM ceased its hazardous maneuvers and no longer ‘challenged’ the Italian F-35A.

The Italian pilot expressed that the Russian Su-35SM was likely testing the capabilities of the F-35A, but he had been previously briefed on the capabilities of both the Russian aircraft and its pilots.



He knew that Russian pilots were capable of executing high-level tactical maneuvers.

However, the pilot of the Italian fighter jet expressed his surprise that a modern American aircraft, equipped with all the latest technology and weaponry, could be so easily “overpowered.”

This was especially unexpected given that the Su-30SM is a fourth-generation aircraft, albeit upgraded. — DSA


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Expect a lot of incoming diarrhea from the regular retards.

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Old 28th May 2024, 23:16
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Expect a lot of incoming diarrhea from the regular retards.
Leaving aside that if it really happened. It would be highly classified. There would be no release. So we have a Russian sponsored site claiming superiority. This is a first.
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Old 28th May 2024, 23:30
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The F-35 crash today has been confirmed as a USMC F-35B on delivery by a DCMA pilot from Lockheed Martin to Edwards AFB - Pentagon also stated to CBS News that it was a development model. It needed a fuel stop!

So testing of some latest software / TR might be impacted by delays.

F-35 Down in Albuquerque


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[QUOTE=RAFEngO74to09;11665174]It needed a fuel stop!/QUOTE]

1000 nm, about.
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