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I am not convinced by the idea that this might be an unexpected engine failure. I cannot contest the differing thrust nozzle sizes but on the 'go-around' the subject aircraft is clearly (IMHO) making efforts to rejoin the formation leader. Why would he do that if he had experienced an unexpected engine failure? No, I think this is an undisciplined idiot messing around with his aircraft to the point where he could easily, as has already been stated, have become "a smoking hole with peripheral casualties." The running camera and bystanders seem to support that.
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Not convinced the nozzles are mis-matched when looking at the footage frame-by-frame. A single engine failure would normally also require some AB in the working engine - to within tolerable yaw/roll limits (which I'm not familiar with). Both of these tend to convince me that the engines are ok. I'd also be surprised if, as the wingman, he or she hit enough vortex off the lead to roll away that much.
I'm with Stu on this one...
I'm with Stu on this one...
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Just reviewed it again:
At the 0.55 mark, only be the starboard engine appears to be laying a smoke trail on the grass. Also, after passing overhead the cameraman, at around 0.58 mark, the turn to starboard for the join starts, which, as the aircraft is parallel with the tree line, becomes a little overcooked, and the wing must be picked up quickly with a fair boot of left rudder.
These things together suggest perhaps a broad hint of daring do gone wrong? possibly he/she became max'ed out and took some time to recover their composure.
This does not explain the dust cloud on the runway earlier?
A change of underwear and a stiff drink as a minimum and then there's the boss, not necessarily in that order I suggest
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At the 0.55 mark, only be the starboard engine appears to be laying a smoke trail on the grass. Also, after passing overhead the cameraman, at around 0.58 mark, the turn to starboard for the join starts, which, as the aircraft is parallel with the tree line, becomes a little overcooked, and the wing must be picked up quickly with a fair boot of left rudder.
These things together suggest perhaps a broad hint of daring do gone wrong? possibly he/she became max'ed out and took some time to recover their composure.
This does not explain the dust cloud on the runway earlier?
A change of underwear and a stiff drink as a minimum and then there's the boss, not necessarily in that order I suggest
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Looks like he's looking down at the camera man at 0:57.
And, I agree with you Mr. Cook. He either raised it very quickly, or never had it down in the first place!
And, I agree with you Mr. Cook. He either raised it very quickly, or never had it down in the first place!
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Wild dogs are a normal occurrence around Ukraine and Russian airports, they seek shelter from the weather and food from the humans.
Meeting without tea and biscuits I think.
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I would have expected the other aircraft to have noticed that his gear was not down. If he was no 2 with his gear still up, I would have expected that formating on an aircraft in approach configuration with his gear down, would have been extremely difficult, which could explain why he went round with engines accelerating from idle and subsequent asymmetric engine acceleration.
Blame the leader, who is after all responsible for his formation.
Blame the leader, who is after all responsible for his formation.
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High angle of attack, high trust settings, low altitude off runway edge (2 ship). Perhaps lower altitude than planned having forgot the gear? Could/would that cause the dust cloud?
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Just for clarity - both main gear legs were down at the time that the aircraft veered to port off the centreline of the runway (0.74 - 0.75) and the gear was then lifted some two seconds later.
Interestingly, the first one of the pair maintained the centreline and continued the roller, climbing away normally as airspeed built up.
I suggest that at the time the second one of the pair veered off the centreline, the driver was on a free ride and not in control.
Alternatively, it might have been to avoid connecting with his mate by doing the honourable thing.
But hey what do I know,
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Interestingly, the first one of the pair maintained the centreline and continued the roller, climbing away normally as airspeed built up.
I suggest that at the time the second one of the pair veered off the centreline, the driver was on a free ride and not in control.
Alternatively, it might have been to avoid connecting with his mate by doing the honourable thing.
But hey what do I know,
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Royalistflyer.
That's the point I was making in my earlier post.
In my 29 years in ATC, if we had a camera, we always videoed an emergency landing and you'd always get spectators ready to see the crash!
I was assuming that one aircraft was shepherding the other and something went wrong on landing in the strong x wind, hence the the dust and subsequent go around and sphincter tightening climb out.
Perhaps Kulverstukas can tell what was being said by the camera man?
That's the point I was making in my earlier post.
In my 29 years in ATC, if we had a camera, we always videoed an emergency landing and you'd always get spectators ready to see the crash!
I was assuming that one aircraft was shepherding the other and something went wrong on landing in the strong x wind, hence the the dust and subsequent go around and sphincter tightening climb out.
Perhaps Kulverstukas can tell what was being said by the camera man?
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