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I take it that you didn't get the joke, Ninthace? I got it. Maybe it's the Yank sense of humor that went past you.
- Ukraine volunteers to shoot down the other two helicopters.
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Wikipedia says the copter carrying the Iranian president and his team was a Bell 212. It was likely an airframe sold to Iran in the late 70s when relations were solid between the US and Iran, when they bought dozens of F-14s, F-4 phantoms, and Bell models, like the AH-1J, 205, 212, 206, 214.
That all ended in 1979, so no new airframes could have been sold to Iran after then, so this Bell 212 that went down would have been say, built in 1976-78; that's reasonable. It would have been at least 47-49 years old. My question is:
1) Why was the Iranian PRESIDENT riding in such an old helicopter in 2024? Wouldn't old Bell 212s, 205s be used for military or civil missions for less important figures?
That all ended in 1979, so no new airframes could have been sold to Iran after then, so this Bell 212 that went down would have been say, built in 1976-78; that's reasonable. It would have been at least 47-49 years old. My question is:
1) Why was the Iranian PRESIDENT riding in such an old helicopter in 2024? Wouldn't old Bell 212s, 205s be used for military or civil missions for less important figures?
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Copter, suggest you check out the thread discussing this on Rotor Heads.
The line being taken in that discussion is "Augusta Bell" but that info may be an estimate rather than a hard "I know it" bit.
The line being taken in that discussion is "Augusta Bell" but that info may be an estimate rather than a hard "I know it" bit.
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Because 'Marine One' doesn't translate well into Persian.
In the same way as 'Air Force One' doesn't translate well into Mandarin.
LFH
1) Why was the Iranian PRESIDENT riding in such an old helicopter ?
In the same way as 'Air Force One' doesn't translate well into Mandarin.
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They'll have another president in a couple of months. (From reading the news, looks like the way it works is that the VP will stand in for about two months as another election gets put together).
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Wikipedia says the copter carrying the Iranian president and his team was a Bell 212. It was likely an airframe sold to Iran in the late 70s when relations were solid between the US and Iran, when they bought dozens of F-14s, F-4 phantoms, and Bell models, like the AH-1J, 205, 212, 206, 214.
That all ended in 1979, so no new airframes could have been sold to Iran after then, so this Bell 212 that went down would have been say, built in 1976-78; that's reasonable. It would have been at least 47-49 years old. My question is:
1) Why was the Iranian PRESIDENT riding in such an old helicopter in 2024? Wouldn't old Bell 212s, 205s be used for military or civil missions for less important figures?
That all ended in 1979, so no new airframes could have been sold to Iran after then, so this Bell 212 that went down would have been say, built in 1976-78; that's reasonable. It would have been at least 47-49 years old. My question is:
1) Why was the Iranian PRESIDENT riding in such an old helicopter in 2024? Wouldn't old Bell 212s, 205s be used for military or civil missions for less important figures?
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thanks LW50, for the input. But it looks like on the other thread on this topic, tons of info has come out that yeah, the Bell 212 was a later-build, 1994 or so. It was sold on the secondary or open market, so it was fairly owned by Iran. It was in production from 1970 to 1998, just like how 90s-built Bell 412 are still in service with Canada, a 25-year old air frame isn't a big deal, still considered a mid-life aircraft.
Still curious as to why Iran doesn't have hordes of Mi-17s for civil and government work, and why in the 1990s they were still acquiring Western helicopters...
Still curious as to why Iran doesn't have hordes of Mi-17s for civil and government work, and why in the 1990s they were still acquiring Western helicopters...
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thanks LW50, for the input. But it looks like on the other thread on this topic, tons of info has come out that yeah, the Bell 212 was a later-build, 1994 or so. It was sold on the secondary or open market, so it was fairly owned by Iran. It was in production from 1970 to 1998, just like how 90s-built Bell 412 are still in service with Canada, a 25-year old air frame isn't a big deal, still considered a mid-life aircraft.
Still curious as to why Iran doesn't have hordes of Mi-17s for civil and government work, and why in the 1990s they were still acquiring Western helicopters...
Still curious as to why Iran doesn't have hordes of Mi-17s for civil and government work, and why in the 1990s they were still acquiring Western helicopters...
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I see that Iran is blaming he US embargo on their being unable to get spares for their aircraft. So, as mentioned above, they send their president and other high officials out in a machine which
may be unairworthy. No problem, just shift the blame onto the 'Great Satan' - business as usual!
may be unairworthy. No problem, just shift the blame onto the 'Great Satan' - business as usual!
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Israeli UN ambassador at Security Council“You held a moment of silence to commemorate the mass-murdering President of Iran…This Council, which has done nothing to advance the release of our hostages, commemorates the man responsible for their suffering.
What’s next? Will the Council hold a moment of silence for Bin Laden? Will there be a vigil for Hitler? We wouldn’t be surprised...”
What’s next? Will the Council hold a moment of silence for Bin Laden? Will there be a vigil for Hitler? We wouldn’t be surprised...”