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Depends how you quantify victory. It's a victory for Israel that it can say the west is still it's ally and will support it. It's a victory for the west that we did support Israel. Of course we only hit the little guy. Why is the west not providing similar support to Ukraine?
I smell hypocrisy,
I smell hypocrisy,
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Have you read the comparison between "Firepower" of Israel and Iran? While it's not the full story and doesn't give a final result how strong both alliances really are (conventionally), Iran is not the "little guy". Unfortunately.
If it escalates, it requires tough ressources to overcome Irans regime, with as many of the worlds nations for rejecting US/UK imperialism claims from Arab community. Then this opens doors for Russia, China, NK, well well.
If it escalates, it requires tough ressources to overcome Irans regime, with as many of the worlds nations for rejecting US/UK imperialism claims from Arab community. Then this opens doors for Russia, China, NK, well well.
Depends how you quantify victory. It's a victory for Israel that it can say the west is still it's ally and will support it. It's a victory for the west that we did support Israel. Of course we only hit the little guy. Why is the west not providing similar support to Ukraine?
I smell hypocrisy,
I smell hypocrisy,
I doubt there would be a coalition help if overnight they decided to send 300+ aerial devices to Jordan, UAE, Egypt. The ones with real muscle are the Saudis but I think the neighbours will think twice and will seek guarantees of protection from us before supporting Israel again. Like you mentioned, we left Ukraine hanging, we won’t care for these people too. I am taking a deeper view that this actually made Israel look weak alongside the fact that Hamas did enter their territory, armed with paragliders and machine guns and caused damage. What would have been if there wasn’t warming from Iran? To me, it was never designed for damage but for a symbolic message, that they STILL can’t stand on their own and are weak warmongers.
Ukraine? I have the feeling that Trump will let them rot I’m afraid, I cant see Biden win it as he is losing the educated youth vote over Gaza, losing demographics such as white men over 30’s and latinos. Trump is ahead last time I checked. Militarily speaking, because we are told to stick to topic, we already release resources to Ukraine and we are not addressing issues such as lack fo training capacity in the RAF and pilot recruitment. We don’t have enough jets either and with the world in turmoil, we are spending a ton of money to defend Israel and we are vulnerable right here at home to threats from Russia. It’s time they defend themselves alone, start stuff? Make sure you can finish it first.
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Have you read the comparison between "Firepower" of Israel and Iran? While it's not the full story and doesn't give a final result how strong both alliances really are (conventionally), Iran is not the "little guy". Unfortunately.
If it escalates, it requires tough ressources to overcome Irans regime, with as many of the worlds nations for rejecting US/UK imperialism claims from Arab community. Then this opens doors for Russia, China, NK, well well.
If it escalates, it requires tough ressources to overcome Irans regime, with as many of the worlds nations for rejecting US/UK imperialism claims from Arab community. Then this opens doors for Russia, China, NK, well well.
I stand accused of bashing Israel but I only stated what’s been widely discussed and NOBODY is immune from criticism. Unfortunately they have been preparing for this day for a long time, we should ignore them. And focus on sorting Gaza out, countering the attack will drag us to something we don’t need right now.
Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi said Saturday’s attack was a limited one but that "nothing would remain from the Zionist regime," should it escalate the current situation, the official IRNA news agency reported...{he} spoke during an Army Day parade at a military base in northern Tehran, Iran, Wednesday, April 17, 2024... warned that the "tiniest invasion" by Israel would bring a "massive and harsh" response.
{source} ~AP Newsroom~
{source} ~AP Newsroom~
Many years, arguments were brought forward "but Iran has never started an attack or war on another country". Read it in arguments re nuclear program, that Iran just supports the Palestinian Underdogd, just want to defend against the imperialist west. That illusion has come to an end! Iran is an aggressor, using official, conventional military attack on a different country. They are no less evil than any other aggressor starting a war.
Due (in part) to the dysfunction at the UNSC for the past generation, plenty of countries are pushing at previous boundaries and seeing how far they can go.
While you assess things through your lens as "the illusion has come to an end" (I was never under that illusion, but I can see your point on the rhetoric/information war bit) a substantial number of nations will see Iran's latest actions through a different lens as "sticking it to the man." ... and they will applaud that move.
When Iran's nuclear capability comes on line, which I am sure will happen, they will announce it and hammer yet another nail into the NPT's coffin.
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You are all welcome for the janitorial service.
Looks like Israeli strikes are starting. Attacks reported in Iran, Iraq and Syria. Videos on telegram claiming to be from Qahjaverestan were there is a nuclear research site
Well ****.
Just got back from a poker game.
Israelis shot missiles, at Isfahan and maybe somewhere else.
Bibi: you ******* prick.
Joe Biden: You can't seem to tell him no, you ****.
This is not going to end well.
Just got back from a poker game.
Israelis shot missiles, at Isfahan and maybe somewhere else.
Bibi: you ******* prick.
Joe Biden: You can't seem to tell him no, you ****.
This is not going to end well.
Iran then suspended flights over a number of cities. “Flights over Isfahan, Shiraz and Tehran cities have been suspended,” state media reported. Iranian state tv started a scrolling, on-screen alert acknowledging a “loud noise” close to Isfahan, with out instantly elaborating.
So it appears like the strike was on the airfield where the F-14's are housed. (you can see them on google maps) its relatively close the nuclear site but the actual site was undamaged.
This looks like it was a bit a warning and a possible offramp as iran is saying there wasn't any attack
This looks like it was a bit a warning and a possible offramp as iran is saying there wasn't any attack
Originally Posted by me
Israelis shot missiles, at Isfahan and maybe somewhere else.
Iran then suspended flights over a number of cities. “Flights over Isfahan, Shiraz and Tehran cities have been suspended,” state media reported. Iranian state tv started a scrolling, on-screen alert acknowledging a “loud noise” close to Isfahan, with out instantly elaborating.
Source is Newsweek.
Iran and its Lebanese Hezbollah partners appear to be dismissing the significance of Israel's reported overnight strike on targets inside the country, as the world again waits to see if the regional tit-for-tat attacks escalate into a broader and more destructive showdown."Iran does not need anyone to defend it; her capabilities are strong," a source close to the Tehran-aligned militia—who requested anonymity as they were not authorized to speak publicly on the matter—told Newsweek on Friday morning, as reports emerged of multiple Israeli strikes in Syria, Iraq, and Iran.
When pressed as to whether Hezbollah would join any retaliation by Iran—as its leaders have repeatedly threatened to do—the source responded: "Has Israel really done anything? We didn't feel it at all."
Tehran appears to be downplaying the significance of the reported attack, according to Reuters. "The foreign source of the incident has not been confirmed," an unnamed senior Iranian official told the agency. "We have not received any external attack, and the discussion leans more towards infiltration than attack."
When pressed as to whether Hezbollah would join any retaliation by Iran—as its leaders have repeatedly threatened to do—the source responded: "Has Israel really done anything? We didn't feel it at all."
Tehran appears to be downplaying the significance of the reported attack, according to Reuters. "The foreign source of the incident has not been confirmed," an unnamed senior Iranian official told the agency. "We have not received any external attack, and the discussion leans more towards infiltration than attack."
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This article contains a summary of various media, government, and other information about the strikes and the reaction to it from various sources.
Still early yet to do a reliable assessment using public domain sources alone....as Intelligence assets and governments are bound to know more that has not been made public.
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-eas...raeli-strikes/
Still early yet to do a reliable assessment using public domain sources alone....as Intelligence assets and governments are bound to know more that has not been made public.
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-eas...raeli-strikes/
Got it. Something went bump in the night, and details may or may not follow.
EDIT:
It appears that things are simmering down ...
EDIT:
It appears that things are simmering down ...
Originally Posted by Axios
Israel conducted a strike in Iran early Friday morning local time, a senior U.S. official told Axios.
==snip==
The latest: Fars news agency, which is affiliated with Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), reported explosions were heard in the city of Isfahan in central Iran near an Iranian air force base.
==snip==
The latest: Fars news agency, which is affiliated with Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), reported explosions were heard in the city of Isfahan in central Iran near an Iranian air force base.
- Iranian state TV reported several drones were shot down by air defenses in Isfahan.
- Iran issued a notification early Friday morning local time closing the air space over western parts of the country.
- Iranian state news agency IRNA reports Iranian air defense systems were activated tonight in several places in the country.
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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The question you have to ask is why take out the SAM site unless you intend to pay a visit…..
Last night’s Israeli Strike appears to have Struck a S-300PMU2 Surface-to-Air Missile Battery and Radar Site near the Natanz Nuclear Facility in the Isfahan Province of Iran.
A 30N6E “Flap Lid” Engagement Radar and possibly a 96L6E “Cheese Board” Acquisition Radar appear to have both suffered Significant Damaged, with the remainder of the Battery being Withdrawn.
Iraqi officials inspect Israeli missile debris found in Iraq: Rafael's ROCKS air-launched ballistic missile, likely fired from Israeli F-16I Sufa strike fighters.
Last night’s Israeli Strike appears to have Struck a S-300PMU2 Surface-to-Air Missile Battery and Radar Site near the Natanz Nuclear Facility in the Isfahan Province of Iran.
A 30N6E “Flap Lid” Engagement Radar and possibly a 96L6E “Cheese Board” Acquisition Radar appear to have both suffered Significant Damaged, with the remainder of the Battery being Withdrawn.
Iraqi officials inspect Israeli missile debris found in Iraq: Rafael's ROCKS air-launched ballistic missile, likely fired from Israeli F-16I Sufa strike fighters.
Iran Unveils New Weapon Capable of Taking Out America's Stealth Jets (msn.com)
(newsweek)
They probably can, if the weapons are all externally carried...
Well, that's air defense sorted, nothing to worry about then. 
(newsweek)
A long-range, mobile air defense system Bavar-373 system is seen in the background as Iranian officials talk to one another in Tehran, Iran, on August 21, 2016. Iran showcased a new iteration of the Bavar-373 in a military parade last week.
© Photo by Pool / Iran Presidency/Anadolu Agency/GETTY IMAGES
Iran recently introduced a new, enhanced version of its Bavar-373 long-range air defense system that Tehran officials claim can intercept American stealth jet fighters.
© Photo by Pool / Iran Presidency/Anadolu Agency/GETTY IMAGES
The domestically produced Bavar-373 first went into service for the Iranian armed forces in 2019, and its capabilities have drawn comparisons to Russia's S-300 mobile, long-range surface-to-air missile systems and to the U.S.-made Patriot systems.
Iran unveiled the newest iteration of the Bavar-373 during an April 17 military parade. The weapon's debut comes as tensions between Iran and Israel continue after Tehran responded to an alleged Israeli strike on an Iranian embassy in Syria by launching drones and missiles toward Israel on April 13 in an attack that was mostly thwarted.
Iran unveiled the newest iteration of the Bavar-373 during an April 17 military parade. The weapon's debut comes as tensions between Iran and Israel continue after Tehran responded to an alleged Israeli strike on an Iranian embassy in Syria by launching drones and missiles toward Israel on April 13 in an attack that was mostly thwarted.
Or.....did we see a practical demonstration a few nights ago that put paid to those claims when some missile sites got whacked with no report of any attacking aircraft being downed?
Which is what the Houthi's aka Iran's little yapping dog just did again.
Originally Posted by Al Jazeera
Yemen’s Iran-aligned Houthi armed group says it attacked US and Israeli vessels, with a Western coalition of warships defending amid the continuing fallout from the war on Gaza. Yahya Saree, the group’s military spokesman, said in a video address late on Wednesday that the Houthis hit the Maersk Yorktown cargo ship in the Gulf of Aden.The US military confirmed that the Houthis launched an antiship ballistic missile from their territory towards the vessel, which it identified as a “US-flagged, owned, and operated vessel with 18 US and four Greek crew members”.
“There were no injuries or damage reported by US, coalition, or commercial ships,” the US Central Command (CENTCOM) said in a statement.
The Greek Ministry of National Defence said on Thursday that one of the country’s military ships serving in the European Union’s naval mission to counter the Houthis in the Red Sea intercepted two drones launched towards a commercial ship from Yemen. The United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO) had earlier confirmed an incident some 72 nautical miles (133km) southeast of the port of Djibouti in the Gulf of Aden.
Saree said the group targeted the Israeli ship MSC Veracruz in the Indian Ocean and launched projectiles at a US warship. The US military said within two hours of the attack on the Maersk Yorktown, its forces “successfully engaged and destroyed” four drones over Yemen. “These actions are taken to protect freedom of navigation and make international waters safer and more secure for US, coalition, and merchant vessels,” it said.
“There were no injuries or damage reported by US, coalition, or commercial ships,” the US Central Command (CENTCOM) said in a statement.
The Greek Ministry of National Defence said on Thursday that one of the country’s military ships serving in the European Union’s naval mission to counter the Houthis in the Red Sea intercepted two drones launched towards a commercial ship from Yemen. The United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO) had earlier confirmed an incident some 72 nautical miles (133km) southeast of the port of Djibouti in the Gulf of Aden.
Saree said the group targeted the Israeli ship MSC Veracruz in the Indian Ocean and launched projectiles at a US warship. The US military said within two hours of the attack on the Maersk Yorktown, its forces “successfully engaged and destroyed” four drones over Yemen. “These actions are taken to protect freedom of navigation and make international waters safer and more secure for US, coalition, and merchant vessels,” it said.
Royal Navy shoots down Houthi missile in first since Gulf War
In The Times.
A Royal Navy destroyer has shot down a ballistic missile fired by the Iran-backed Houthi rebel group for the first time.
HMS Diamond was defending a merchant vessel in the Gulf of Aden on Wednesday when it used its Sea Viper missile system to destroy the Iranian-made weapon, which was fired from Yemen.
Grant Shapps, the defence secretary, said it was the first time a Royal Navy warship had intercepted a missile in combat since the Gulf War in 1991. It is the first time the navy has shot down a ballistic missile in combat.
Shapps said: “A commercial ship came under attack by a missile and HMS Diamond shot down that missile using Sea Viper.”
He said the attack demonstrated how dangerous the world was becoming and how non-state actors were now being supplied with “very sophisticated weapons” from states such as Iran. “That gives an indication of a changed world and why the 2.5 per cent is so vital,” he said, referring to Rishi Sunak’s commitment to spend billions of pounds more on defence by 2030.
Although it has not been confirmed which missile the Houthis used, it is understood the group has been firing Iranian-made Fateh missiles at vessels in the Red Sea. These include missiles from the Fateh-110 family of short-range ballistic weapons.Also included is the Zolfaghar, a road-mobile missile capable of striking targets at a distance of between 300 and 700 km (186 and 435 miles), according to experts. Some of the Fateh missiles have anti-ship capabilities.
The Houthis announced on Wednesday that they had targeted the Maersk Yorktown ship and an American destroyer in the Gulf of Aden.
HMS Diamond is presently deployed in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden to deter Houthi attacks and help protect commercial vessels, which have come under increasing attack since the Israel-Hamas war began in October last year.
The ship took over from HMS Richmond in March. During its deployment HMS Richmond successfully repelled a Houthi drone attack in the southern Red Sea, shooting down two attack drones using Sea Ceptor missiles.
Beforehand HMS Diamond was in the region and came under under fire in three separate attacks by Houthi rebels, destroying nine drones using the world-class Sea Viper missile system and guns.
HMS Diamond is equipped with the Sea Viper system, which employs the Aster 15 and Aster 30 missiles, known for their precision and long-range capabilities. The ship also has Phalanx machineguns and 30mm cannons on each side of the ship. The Phalanx can fire more than 3,000 rounds a minute. The crew have also used the 30mm cannon to shoot down a Houthi drone.
According to the US Maritime Administration, the Houthis have launched more than 50 attacks on shipping, seized one vessel and sank another since November, which they say are in support of the Palestinians.
Attacks on commercial vessels have become less common since the rebels were targeted by a US-led airstrike on targets in Yemen.
HMS Diamond was defending a merchant vessel in the Gulf of Aden on Wednesday when it used its Sea Viper missile system to destroy the Iranian-made weapon, which was fired from Yemen.
Grant Shapps, the defence secretary, said it was the first time a Royal Navy warship had intercepted a missile in combat since the Gulf War in 1991. It is the first time the navy has shot down a ballistic missile in combat.
Shapps said: “A commercial ship came under attack by a missile and HMS Diamond shot down that missile using Sea Viper.”
He said the attack demonstrated how dangerous the world was becoming and how non-state actors were now being supplied with “very sophisticated weapons” from states such as Iran. “That gives an indication of a changed world and why the 2.5 per cent is so vital,” he said, referring to Rishi Sunak’s commitment to spend billions of pounds more on defence by 2030.
Although it has not been confirmed which missile the Houthis used, it is understood the group has been firing Iranian-made Fateh missiles at vessels in the Red Sea. These include missiles from the Fateh-110 family of short-range ballistic weapons.Also included is the Zolfaghar, a road-mobile missile capable of striking targets at a distance of between 300 and 700 km (186 and 435 miles), according to experts. Some of the Fateh missiles have anti-ship capabilities.
The Houthis announced on Wednesday that they had targeted the Maersk Yorktown ship and an American destroyer in the Gulf of Aden.
HMS Diamond is presently deployed in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden to deter Houthi attacks and help protect commercial vessels, which have come under increasing attack since the Israel-Hamas war began in October last year.
The ship took over from HMS Richmond in March. During its deployment HMS Richmond successfully repelled a Houthi drone attack in the southern Red Sea, shooting down two attack drones using Sea Ceptor missiles.
Beforehand HMS Diamond was in the region and came under under fire in three separate attacks by Houthi rebels, destroying nine drones using the world-class Sea Viper missile system and guns.
HMS Diamond is equipped with the Sea Viper system, which employs the Aster 15 and Aster 30 missiles, known for their precision and long-range capabilities. The ship also has Phalanx machineguns and 30mm cannons on each side of the ship. The Phalanx can fire more than 3,000 rounds a minute. The crew have also used the 30mm cannon to shoot down a Houthi drone.
According to the US Maritime Administration, the Houthis have launched more than 50 attacks on shipping, seized one vessel and sank another since November, which they say are in support of the Palestinians.
Attacks on commercial vessels have become less common since the rebels were targeted by a US-led airstrike on targets in Yemen.
