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Racedo,
I believe a short ramble through British (or is it English....I get confused on the semantics of it all) History might remind you who we learned all that from and more.
Capturing a Terrorist or Non-Uniformed Combatant on the battlefield does differ a bit from a crew of mariners going about their daily business I should think.....don't you agree?
I believe a short ramble through British (or is it English....I get confused on the semantics of it all) History might remind you who we learned all that from and more.
Capturing a Terrorist or Non-Uniformed Combatant on the battlefield does differ a bit from a crew of mariners going about their daily business I should think.....don't you agree?
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From: Exit stage right.
Racedo,
I believe a short ramble through British (or is it English....I get confused on the semantics of it all) History might remind you who we learned all that from and more.
Capturing a Terrorist or Non-Uniformed Combatant on the battlefield does differ a bit from a crew of mariners going about their daily business I should think.....don't you agree?
I believe a short ramble through British (or is it English....I get confused on the semantics of it all) History might remind you who we learned all that from and more.
Capturing a Terrorist or Non-Uniformed Combatant on the battlefield does differ a bit from a crew of mariners going about their daily business I should think.....don't you agree?
Stopping oil going to Syria so it can continue to destroy IS/Al Aaeda with a crew of mariners comes along as the height of stupidity. Then again US Foreign Policy in Middle East is along those lines.
As for learning from the Brits, but like getting Ray Charles to provide driving lessons to Stevie Wonder and then wonder why are at the bottom of the cliff.
Its the Wilberforce worked to abolish Slavery, while many fellow Brits were making millions from type of hypocrisy.
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Easy diplomatic solution:
Detain the GRACE 1 crew in Gibraltar and let them go through due legal process for breaching sanctions, then...
1. Fly out a new crew to take the ship back to Iran, full, or
2. Sell the fuel to a neutral country at baseline market price (without transportation costs), then the second crew take empty ship back to Iran. (But, the quantity of cash being carried on GRACE 1 would attract the attention of pirates around the Horn of Africa area = not our problem!!! - Send your speedboats out there!)
The first crew would likely try to claim asylum, get rejected and be home with family soon enough.
Detain the GRACE 1 crew in Gibraltar and let them go through due legal process for breaching sanctions, then...
1. Fly out a new crew to take the ship back to Iran, full, or
2. Sell the fuel to a neutral country at baseline market price (without transportation costs), then the second crew take empty ship back to Iran. (But, the quantity of cash being carried on GRACE 1 would attract the attention of pirates around the Horn of Africa area = not our problem!!! - Send your speedboats out there!)
The first crew would likely try to claim asylum, get rejected and be home with family soon enough.
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Hypocrisy, racedo? Yes, Brits were making millions from slavery. But that didn’t stop us abolishing it. And devoting huge resources to enforcement. And speaking of enforcement, there has been support from France and Germany for UK proposals for increased naval presence in the Gulf. Something Iran will no doubt find unwelcome.
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From: London
Pompeo on Iran’s capture of British-flagged tanker: Up to ‘United Kingdom to take care of their ships’
Helpful and supportive.
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From: Exit stage right.
Hypocrisy, racedo? Yes, Brits were making millions from slavery. But that didn’t stop us abolishing it. And devoting huge resources to enforcement. And speaking of enforcement, there has been support from France and Germany for UK proposals for increased naval presence in the Gulf. Something Iran will no doubt find unwelcome.
Wonder where all the Libyan money will end up that UK Govt sequestrated.
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Easy diplomatic solution:
Detain the GRACE 1 crew in Gibraltar and let them go through due legal process for breaching sanctions, then...
1. Fly out a new crew to take the ship back to Iran, full, or
2. Sell the fuel to a neutral country at baseline market price (without transportation costs), then the second crew take empty ship back to Iran. (But, the quantity of cash being carried on GRACE 1 would attract the attention of pirates around the Horn of Africa area = not our problem!!! - Send your speedboats out there!)
The first crew would likely try to claim asylum, get rejected and be home with family soon enough.
Detain the GRACE 1 crew in Gibraltar and let them go through due legal process for breaching sanctions, then...
1. Fly out a new crew to take the ship back to Iran, full, or
2. Sell the fuel to a neutral country at baseline market price (without transportation costs), then the second crew take empty ship back to Iran. (But, the quantity of cash being carried on GRACE 1 would attract the attention of pirates around the Horn of Africa area = not our problem!!! - Send your speedboats out there!)
The first crew would likely try to claim asylum, get rejected and be home with family soon enough.
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Yes, racedo others did cash in on market share. And yes, the trade did continue despite our efforts. Sickeningly to the present day as you rightly point out. Are you demanding a return of pax britannica to stamp it out?
ironically, this seizure seems to be mobilising Europe against Iran despite having previously been very reluctant to go along with US “maximum pressure”
ironically, this seizure seems to be mobilising Europe against Iran despite having previously been very reluctant to go along with US “maximum pressure”
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We rather like that the POTUS isn't a dictator and being limited in what they can unilaterally do or agree to.
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Yes, racedo others did cash in on market share. And yes, the trade did continue despite our efforts. Sickeningly to the present day as you rightly point out. Are you demanding a return of pax britannica to stamp it out?
ironically, this seizure seems to be mobilising Europe against Iran despite having previously been very reluctant to go along with US “maximum pressure”
ironically, this seizure seems to be mobilising Europe against Iran despite having previously been very reluctant to go along with US “maximum pressure”
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Security Council Resolution 2199(2015) was passed to prevent funding by oil smuggling.
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No-one has totally clean hands here but at least the Brits did something a long way ahead of many other countries
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From: Exit stage right.
Security Council Resolution 2199(2015) was passed to prevent funding by oil smuggling.
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Like wanting to introduce Democracy to Hong Kong as you are leaving after ignoring it for the previous 90 years.
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From: Manchester, UK
Repeat a lie enough times and it becomes true, racedo?Slavery was both immensely profitable and tenable, witnessed by many nations which continued to profit hugely, long after abolition. It’s not for UK to tell HK how it should be governed. But we are very much party to the 50 year joint agreement guaranteeing HK retains its own laws. Amongst other things, these outlaw Hong Kongers from being kidnapped without legal process to reappear in Chinese prisons.
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Epic thread drift...
Waiting for Boris speed-reading his first briefing then offhandedly announcing the tanker was indeed in Iranian waters and that the crew deserves everything coming to them.
Serious questions - what is the advantage of British flagging a Swedish-owned tanker with a predominantly Indian crew? Is it a tax thingy? Also, could other countries offer their flags as temporary flags of convenience to British shipping until the Iranians calm down a bit?
Waiting for Boris speed-reading his first briefing then offhandedly announcing the tanker was indeed in Iranian waters and that the crew deserves everything coming to them.
Serious questions - what is the advantage of British flagging a Swedish-owned tanker with a predominantly Indian crew? Is it a tax thingy? Also, could other countries offer their flags as temporary flags of convenience to British shipping until the Iranians calm down a bit?