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Old 20th Jul 2019, 19:35
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Originally Posted by Blossy View Post
And the point of the troops on the Mil helicopter needing facemasks is...…?
The exact same reason that many police and military personnel (especially SF) from all over the world have their faces covered / pixelated when being filmed.
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Old 20th Jul 2019, 21:34
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The Iranian tanker actually stopped of its own accord to take on stores in Gibraltar's territorial waters - in exactly the same way that many other merchant ships do. It was not just conducting a transit of the area.

Membership of the EU requires any state to enforce the EU sanctions currently in place. Gibraltar did just this.

Gibraltar asked for, and was given, the assistance of Royal Marines (who specialise in this field) to assist the Gibraltar police in apprehending the vessel.

You are right. The boarding of a ship in transit of a Strait, especially by armed force, is an illegal act - which is exactly what the Iranians have done.
It is of note that the Iranian ship is full of Iranian oil; the Stena Impero is in ballast and has NO cargo.

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Old 21st Jul 2019, 08:04
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SAS - its not just the Iranians - i don't remember the international press being invited to Guantanamo very often either - or charges being brought in a proper court of law

Face it - countries will do what they want when they want to do it and they will justify whatever it is

Doesn't convince anyone but it makes them happy
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Old 21st Jul 2019, 08:18
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
....... certainly NOT a joined-up policy I'm afraid
Unless those joining up the 'policy' are an out going PM and Foreign Secretary leaving a little "Welcome to No 10" gift to the inbound PM.

Just a thought.
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Old 21st Jul 2019, 11:59
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quote “If that doesn’t apply at Gibraltar then it doesn’t apply in hormuz. If britain can stop ships then so can iran.”

given your eye for an eye philosophy, are you suggesting that Gibraltar starts mining merchant vessels in the straits of Gibraltar then, when nobody's looking? Just like Iran did?

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Old 21st Jul 2019, 12:21
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i don't remember the international press being invited to Guantanamo very often either
That is irrelevant to the issues at hand.....here we are talking about acts of war, piracy, and violations of UN and EU sanctions against Iran.

Ya'll did notice the Iranian Foreign Minister was in the USA while the latest acts were taken.....and ya'll probably are unaware that the Revolutionary Guards and the Ayatollah's do not care much for the FM who was educated in the United States.

The Iranian Government is splintered with multiple competing factions...some due to religion and politics....which creates a situation where different factions are working at cross purposes far too often.

I am thinking we are going to see far more support for the secular side of the Iranian government than we are the Zealots like the Revolutionary Guards side of the government.

Sanctions are really beginning to hurt the Iranians....and we can count on more and tougher sanctions yet to come over their latest antics.

I am thinking the bets are on the people rising up and a "counter-revolution" taking place that shall see the Ayatollahs unseated and the Revolutionary Guard kicked to the curb.

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Old 21st Jul 2019, 13:04
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Were the UK to have left the European Union on the 29th march as we was supposed to then we would not have to had to stop the Iranian tanker and all this trouble in the Straight of Homuz wouldn't have happened.
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Old 21st Jul 2019, 14:40
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The RN took very decisive action it appears....a bit short of a serious telling off of the Iranians....which could have provoked a hostile response I reckon.

The link contains the audio of the radio transmissions of the Iranians and the RN warship.


https://www.breitbart.com/europe/201...anker-seizure/
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Old 21st Jul 2019, 20:13
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
Were the UK to have left the European Union on the 29th march as we was supposed to then we would not have to had to stop the Iranian tanker and all this trouble in the Straight of Homuz wouldn't have happened.
​​​​​​Err so the plan is from now on we cower under the blankets and abrogate our responsibilities as a serious world player? So much for global Britain eh (Assuming of course this isn't sarcasm - its impossible to tell nowadays)

Actually it is grimly amusing to see the Iranians trolling us so blatantly. They know full well we can do eff all about it.

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Old 21st Jul 2019, 20:23
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I am thinking the bets are on the people rising up and a "counter-revolution" taking place that shall see the Ayatollahs unseated and the Revolutionary Guard kicked to the curb
Very wishful thinking methinks. Didn't they try that a few years back and get brutally put back in their box?

If a recent BBC in-country report is anything to go by, a growing portion of their young people are getting more than a little hacked off with the west, with this seemingly endless flip-flopping
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 07:48
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Interesting that according to today's "Times" the Gibraltar Govt changed their rules /laws 36 hours before they intercepted the tanker and kicked this off - sounds like the long stranding rules didn't allow interception of tankers passing through... now WHO suggested that change I wonder......

And since Spain has a claim on those waters why didn't they act???
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 09:15
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Originally Posted by dead_pan View Post
Very wishful thinking methinks. Didn't they try that a few years back and get brutally put back in their box?

If a recent BBC in-country report is anything to go by, a growing portion of their young people are getting more than a little hacked off with the west, with this seemingly endless flip-flopping
I saw that completely unbiased and not at all influenced by an "if only Trump hadn't trashed the nice EU nuclear deal everything would be wonderful and unicorns would frolic in crystal pools of water with unlimited chocolate and honey for all" piece. Leading questions, left, right and centre......



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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 09:47
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Doubtless all the fault of Boris and Brexit.......

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f...iran-nxbfkkjfs

Fears grow for academic held in Iran

Concerns are growing over the fate of a respected French-Iranian academic a month after she was thrown into prison as the latest apparent hostage in Tehran’s conflict with the West.

Efforts led by President Macron have so far failed to elicit any explanation of the arrest or provide a French consular visit for Fariba Adelkhah, 60, an authority on Iran at the Sciences Po university in Paris. She was secretly arrested while working in Tehran last month and was jailed in the city’s notorious Evin prison.

Ms Adelkhah, an anthropologist, has joined Britain’s Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe and about ten other dual nationals as pawns in a power game assumed to be led by the regime’s hardliners......

Tehran simply confirmed her arrest and said she was regarded as an Iranian citizen.

https://iranhumanrights.org/2019/04/...s-as-hostages/
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 11:12
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I saw that completely unbiased and not at all influenced by an "if only Trump hadn't trashed the nice EU nuclear deal everything would be wonderful and unicorns would frolic in crystal pools of water with unlimited chocolate and honey for all" piece. Leading questions, left, right and centre......
Show me an unbiased media report on the country...

As far as I recall I don't think any openly expressed their support for the regime either.
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 11:15
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Gibraltar Govt changed their rules /laws 36 hours before they intercepted the tanker
Odds on this law being changed back on Wednesday afternoon?
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 11:50
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
Interesting that according to today's "Times" the Gibraltar Govt changed their rules /laws 36 hours before they intercepted the tanker and kicked this off - sounds like the long stranding rules didn't allow interception of tankers passing through... now WHO suggested that change I wonder......
Indeed, and why? Who is trying to provoke who?

It sickens me that we are being led, again, into another conflict with the very same agenda as Gulf War II.
Have we learned nothing?
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 13:03
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That is not what The Times reported.

What The Times did say was that the blog EU Sanctions reported Gibraltar had updated its EU sanctions regulations, which it did on 3rd July, just before the ship was stopped. I include a link to the relevant blog report below and the EU regulation implemented.

Note that 3rd July was the date of commencement of the regulation (link 2) not its date of issue , which was as part of the Sanctions Act 2019/06, which was signed into effect on 28th March (link 3) - over 3 months previously.

https://www.europeansanctions.com/20...1-designation/

https://www.gibraltarlaws.gov.gi/articles/2019s131.pdf

https://www.gibraltarlaws.gov.gi/articles/2019-06o.pdf




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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 14:54
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
If you are suggesting that Iran playing a game of "Tit for Tat" is fair dinky and legal....you are grossly wrong.

The correct and legal methods are with diplomatic protests and International Courts....not piracy!
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What happen when some "big" countries refuse to recognise International Courts...................... even when caught out. Like mining Nicuraguan harbours. Claim countrys should respect International laws and courts because laughable when countries decide what they will respect when it suits.
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 14:55
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post

Since the "agreement" was never subjected to Congressional approval (because it clearly would have failed) this never reached the status of a treaty. Trump was right to walk away from it, as most Americans felt he should.

It is true that after reimposing sanctions, the US told others "you choose, us or them". Sorry you don't like that, but you still have a choice.
Which basically means to anybody is "any agreement with US President is not worth the paper it is written on".
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 14:59
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
Like they did when they invaded the American Embassy...right?

If the Iranians were playing by the Rules they would have preferred charges against the Captain and perhaps the senior members of the crew....and made all those proceeding public wouldn't they?

They have not....and the news media (international media) are not having much access to the crews are they?
They fact they haven't, doesn't mean they won't. After all how long did it take for US to put charges to people at Gitmo and where was their access to the media ?
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