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Here comes the response, BBC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn7ze4vmk2pt
Thoughts are with those who have friends/family out that way. I have several.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn7ze4vmk2pt
Thoughts are with those who have friends/family out that way. I have several.
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There you go, words fail me, I told you it wouldn’t end well and this guy has the finger on the trigger.
Gawd help us all, not exactly descalation words.
Gawd help us all, not exactly descalation words.
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Back on topic
i believe Iran has made an effort at deescalation tonight. It might not seem like it to some but their response has been limited and all about not losing face. Face is one of the most important things to a Persian. They could not respond to the US attack otherwise they will lose face. They gave warning to Qatar. They only launched 6 missiles. No injuries and all missiles intercepted from what we know. This is an olive branch of deescalation from Iran and I only hope there are level heads in the US administration that recognise this.
i believe Iran has made an effort at deescalation tonight. It might not seem like it to some but their response has been limited and all about not losing face. Face is one of the most important things to a Persian. They could not respond to the US attack otherwise they will lose face. They gave warning to Qatar. They only launched 6 missiles. No injuries and all missiles intercepted from what we know. This is an olive branch of deescalation from Iran and I only hope there are level heads in the US administration that recognise this.
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A reminder to all:
If somebody has a go at you, please report the post rather than derailing the thread with an off topic response.
Also:
Let's play the ball, not the man.
Thank you all in advance.
On Topic:
@Widger: that's an interesting assessment of the missile salvo. Thank you.
If somebody has a go at you, please report the post rather than derailing the thread with an off topic response.
Also:
Let's play the ball, not the man.
Thank you all in advance.
On Topic:
@Widger: that's an interesting assessment of the missile salvo. Thank you.
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Just heard from a friend in Doha.
Certainly some tense moments, but apparently the missiles are no longer falling.,
For Jobza:
As do I.
Certainly some tense moments, but apparently the missiles are no longer falling.,
For Jobza:
I also hope the White House sees things the same way.
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i believe Iran has made an effort at deescalation tonight.
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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What was it about the maintenance of the aim?
The Iranian capability to produce weapons grade uranium has been damaged but not destroyed. They have managed to disperse their existing stockpile of 400kg of 60% uranium and, according to reports, have a further new, unlocated, production facility and sufficient centrifuges to enhance it to 90% weapons grade in 3-6 months.
Trump stated bluntly, after the raid, that the only option that Iranian had left was “total capitulation” and when asked what that meant said it meant the Iran had to let them in on the ground to finish the job.
48 hours later and all that has evaporated - vanished like early morning dew in the sun. TACO……
The Iranian capability to produce weapons grade uranium has been damaged but not destroyed. They have managed to disperse their existing stockpile of 400kg of 60% uranium and, according to reports, have a further new, unlocated, production facility and sufficient centrifuges to enhance it to 90% weapons grade in 3-6 months.
Trump stated bluntly, after the raid, that the only option that Iranian had left was “total capitulation” and when asked what that meant said it meant the Iran had to let them in on the ground to finish the job.
48 hours later and all that has evaporated - vanished like early morning dew in the sun. TACO……
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SASless,
That suggestion totally ignires Widger's comment about the need, prevalent in some cultures, to save face - if only for INTERNAL consumption.
You don't save face by ringing up and asking for peace talks. But if you strike back (in a limited way) first you can then tell (lie to) your own citizens that you forced the other side into peace negotiations. It's all about the optics.
That suggestion totally ignires Widger's comment about the need, prevalent in some cultures, to save face - if only for INTERNAL consumption.
You don't save face by ringing up and asking for peace talks. But if you strike back (in a limited way) first you can then tell (lie to) your own citizens that you forced the other side into peace negotiations. It's all about the optics.
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Dear colleagues:
One of our PPRuNe members lives in Doha. In the interest of personal security, their request was to not associate the following with their name, but to share it if I thought it would be of interest.
Here is what was sent to me via PM.
I ask you as a courtesy to our source to not engage in guessing or speculation of their nom de PPRuNe.
Thank you all in advance.
One of our PPRuNe members lives in Doha. In the interest of personal security, their request was to not associate the following with their name, but to share it if I thought it would be of interest.
Here is what was sent to me via PM.
I live with my family in Doha and work at Al Udeid. It was obvious to us from about noon local time that something was up.
As the sun set I was manning a lookout on the roof of our house. I had come down for some water when we heard the first booms. I got my family under the stairs on the ground floor and kept watch on the roof.
I watched all but the first missile fly almost directly overhead and watched every Patriot launch and interception. We heard and felt every boom.
The closest intercept was probably about 5km away from our house and debris fell about 5-10km from our house.
My family were terrified. I was happier to be outside watching than staying indoors in all honesty.
Once we felt that the wave had finished we headed to a nearby basement with some supplies. Our car was ready with supplies and a full tank of gas but my judgment was that the roads would be chaotic and that the basement was better if there were further missiles.
This was not a fun experience and I encourage everyone to try to put themselves in the shoes of the people on the receiving end before they bang the drums of war.
As the sun set I was manning a lookout on the roof of our house. I had come down for some water when we heard the first booms. I got my family under the stairs on the ground floor and kept watch on the roof.
I watched all but the first missile fly almost directly overhead and watched every Patriot launch and interception. We heard and felt every boom.
The closest intercept was probably about 5km away from our house and debris fell about 5-10km from our house.
My family were terrified. I was happier to be outside watching than staying indoors in all honesty.
Once we felt that the wave had finished we headed to a nearby basement with some supplies. Our car was ready with supplies and a full tank of gas but my judgment was that the roads would be chaotic and that the basement was better if there were further missiles.
This was not a fun experience and I encourage everyone to try to put themselves in the shoes of the people on the receiving end before they bang the drums of war.
Thank you all in advance.
