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From: Falling off the end of the thread
And in the meantime, Russia is telling the US not to get involved or else…
and Trump true to form has given it Two Weeks, just as he has been giving Russia over Ukraine for the last few months, its rather like Russias we will nuke you threat's, after repeating it so many times it just becomes background noise and the credibility is gone.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...ys-2025-06-19/
and Trump true to form has given it Two Weeks, just as he has been giving Russia over Ukraine for the last few months, its rather like Russias we will nuke you threat's, after repeating it so many times it just becomes background noise and the credibility is gone.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...ys-2025-06-19/
Trump to decide on US action in Israel-Iran war within two weeks, White House says
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From: Falling off the end of the thread
Yes, I concur.
This got me from the Reuters news thread.
This got me from the Reuters news thread.
- White House says Trump's top priority is preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapon
- Iran could produce nuclear weapon in just weeks, White House claims
- Critics question Trump's two-week deadline
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From: Falling off the end of the thread
Another fly in the ointment, Russia says they have 200 staff building the reactors in Iran.
Strange for Putin to be worried about 200 Russians having sent 1,000,000 to their deaths of late.
Strange for Putin to be worried about 200 Russians having sent 1,000,000 to their deaths of late.
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Russia is already looking after the Iranian nuclear program. They supply the fuel for the Bushehr reactor and take it away when it's finished with which is not surprising considering it's a Russian design.
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Iranian foreign minister:
”There is no room for negotiation with the USA until Israeli aggression ends”.
He has also stated that the Iranian missile programme is non-negotiable.
”There is no room for negotiation with the USA until Israeli aggression ends”.
He has also stated that the Iranian missile programme is non-negotiable.
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Put a framework to the arguments.
https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15942.doc.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty...uclear_Weapons
One might also look back to the six or seven UN Resolutions re Iran's Nuclear and Missile programs and the history of how it all played out in the many debates at the UN.
https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15942.doc.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty...uclear_Weapons
One might also look back to the six or seven UN Resolutions re Iran's Nuclear and Missile programs and the history of how it all played out in the many debates at the UN.
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More for the framework
On 18 September 2009, the General Conference of the International Atomic Energy Agency called on Israel to open its nuclear facilities to IAEA inspection and adhere to the non-proliferation treaty as part of a resolution on "Israeli nuclear capabilities", which passed by a narrow margin of 49–45 with 16 abstentions. The chief Israeli delegate stated that "Israel will not co-operate in any matter with this resolution."[93] However, similar resolutions were defeated in 2010, 2013, 2014, and 2015.[94][95] As with Pakistan, the NSG Guidelines currently rule out nuclear exports by all major suppliers to Israel.
For the record, I’d prefer it if Iran didn’t have nukes. I’d prefer it if many of the current holders didn’t have them and ultimately if nobody had them (but I’m a realist).
The problem is that it’s very hard to preach about it when the other belligerent (our friend) won’t be honest about theirs.
A lot of this enmity could go away if Israel just said “fair enough, we have them, come take a look”.
BV
For the record, I’d prefer it if Iran didn’t have nukes. I’d prefer it if many of the current holders didn’t have them and ultimately if nobody had them (but I’m a realist).
The problem is that it’s very hard to preach about it when the other belligerent (our friend) won’t be honest about theirs.
A lot of this enmity could go away if Israel just said “fair enough, we have them, come take a look”.
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From: Baston
On 18 September 2009, the General Conference of the International Atomic Energy Agency called on Israel to open its nuclear facilities to IAEA inspection and adhere to the non-proliferation treaty as part of a resolution on "Israeli nuclear capabilities", which passed by a narrow margin of 49–45 with 16 abstentions. The chief Israeli delegate stated that "Israel will not co-operate in any matter with this resolution."[93] However, similar resolutions were defeated in 2010, 2013, 2014, and 2015.[94][95] As with Pakistan, the NSG Guidelines currently rule out nuclear exports by all major suppliers to Israel.
For the record, I’d prefer it if Iran didn’t have nukes. I’d prefer it if many of the current holders didn’t have them and ultimately if nobody had them (but I’m a realist).
The problem is that it’s very hard to preach about it when the other belligerent (our friend) won’t be honest about theirs.
A lot of this enmity could go away if Israel just said “fair enough, we have them, come take a look”.
BV
For the record, I’d prefer it if Iran didn’t have nukes. I’d prefer it if many of the current holders didn’t have them and ultimately if nobody had them (but I’m a realist).
The problem is that it’s very hard to preach about it when the other belligerent (our friend) won’t be honest about theirs.
A lot of this enmity could go away if Israel just said “fair enough, we have them, come take a look”.
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No, langleybaston, that's a terrible idea. (Were you joking?)
As I've said before, I am confident that Iran will join the nuclear club eventually. What the Israelis are doing currently will doubtless be a setback.
If the Ayatollah's fall, who takes over? Most likely the IRGC. I expect them to continue to pursue that aim.
If Pakistan has them, and they do, Iran having them isn't that much of a change to security in that region.
As I've said before, I am confident that Iran will join the nuclear club eventually. What the Israelis are doing currently will doubtless be a setback.
If the Ayatollah's fall, who takes over? Most likely the IRGC. I expect them to continue to pursue that aim.
If Pakistan has them, and they do, Iran having them isn't that much of a change to security in that region.
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Iran International has learned that Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei has handed over key powers to the Supreme Council of the Revolutionary Guards (IRGC), amid a five-day absence from public view.
The move follows reports that Khamenei has been relocated to an underground bunker in Lavizan, northeast Tehran, along with close family members, including his son Mojtaba.
The move follows reports that Khamenei has been relocated to an underground bunker in Lavizan, northeast Tehran, along with close family members, including his son Mojtaba.
I expect some fifth column action in Jordan in and around those air bases that RAFEngO74to09's post refers to.
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The worrying thing, Lonewolf, is that Iran have made it abundantly clear for quite some time that they want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. For a long time the general consensus was that if there would ever be a nuclear conflict it would be between Pakistan and India. My opinion is that would change if Iran become a nuclear power. They could well be the first to use it.....against Israel.
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BRUpax, a problem with them doing that is that launching a nuke (or a number of them, Israel has ballistic missile defenses) at the Holy Land is in direct opposition to their Axis of Resistance posture.
Such a strike would render Israel (or as they see it, the rightful homeland of the Palestinian Muslims) - uninhabitable, at least for the near term.
The land would be poisoned, rather than restored to the Palestinians.
Having the weapon would be (1) a status symbol and (2) a possible deterrent to attacks on or invasion of Iran.
On the other hand, maybe they'd get to a point where they embrace the Götterdämmerung...but I never saw the Mullahs as suicidal.
Such a strike would render Israel (or as they see it, the rightful homeland of the Palestinian Muslims) - uninhabitable, at least for the near term.
The land would be poisoned, rather than restored to the Palestinians.
Having the weapon would be (1) a status symbol and (2) a possible deterrent to attacks on or invasion of Iran.
On the other hand, maybe they'd get to a point where they embrace the Götterdämmerung...but I never saw the Mullahs as suicidal.
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Did Iran's leadership fail to understand the situation leading up to and immediately after the October 7th attack on Israel and make some very bad decisions as a result?
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/middl.../how-iran-lost
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/middl.../how-iran-lost
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Hi jolihokistix it was the head of the IAEA , Rafael Grossi, who claimed that he had been to sites in Iran 'many times'
(he did not identify which sites) and that you went down a spiral tunnel until you were 'half a mile underground'.
https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/h...ns-iaea-chief/
(he did not identify which sites) and that you went down a spiral tunnel until you were 'half a mile underground'.
https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/h...ns-iaea-chief/
I'm curious, how hot is it down there? The average geothermal gradient is 3 K/100 m below the surface in Europe (Wikipedia). Therefore about ISA+24 at 800 meters. Could be different under this mountain, a geologist would know. And you have a big plant with hundreds centrifuges, each requiring tens of kW of electricity. Where goes all this heat? And where does all the electricity come from? Maybe it's easier to target the nearest powerplant and/or the numerous huge exhaust stacks?
IMO it can't be this deep and this big at the same time...
