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Russia Warns Sweden and Finland Against NATO Membership

Old 25th Oct 2023, 14:19
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Originally Posted by B Fraser
One possible way to protect vital infrastructure is to dump rocks on the pipe, cable etc. after it has been installed. It's time consuming but it protects against trawlers and other not so innocent interference.
Fine unless you need to inspect it or get at it again.
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Old 25th Oct 2023, 17:05
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That's the whole point. Rock dumping prevents damage and avoids the need for access. Normally on a silt seabed, a mole is used to plough in the cable. On a rocky seabed, dumping gives the required protection.

Subsea cable stability on rocky seabeds | Institution of Civil Engineers (ICE)

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Old 25th Oct 2023, 17:30
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
Let us hope they have insurance, dragging an anchor is poor seamanship, where was the anchor watch?
Why do you assume that this was a cock up?
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Old 25th Oct 2023, 18:48
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​​​​​​​The Hungarian parliament again rejected a proposal to vote on Sweden's application to join NATO.
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Old 26th Oct 2023, 02:49
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China has recent practical experience of this, oops ‘mistakenly’ cutting internet cables around some of Taiwan’s islands close to the continental mainland.

https://thediplomat.com/2023/04/afte...ns-resilience/
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Old 26th Oct 2023, 11:46
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
Let us hope they have insurance, dragging an anchor is poor seamanship, where was the anchor watch?
A bit much of a coincidence. You think they didn't notice that they dropped their anchors for several miles, i.e. close to half an hour of travel? And kept on sailing. Dunno. OK, if it were a Russian captain I would be torn 50/50 between Vodka and malice.
Anyway, that captain should be put on a denial list and be denied access to European Ports for endangering sea travel for an extended period of time.

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Norwegian and Icelandic trawlers are always pulling up N sea comms lines

And anyone who thinks any crew on any merchant vessel keeps an eye out for anything happening is living in dream land

About 10 years ago a couple of tugs dragged a drilling rig for several miles through Europort before someone informed them it was actually on the bottom and they were effectively deepening the main channel (and incurring a VERY large repair bill)
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I was OOW on a warship when we had to take evasive action to avoid a passenger vessel that should have given way, A pass with the searchlight confirmed nobody on the bridge at all and the autopilot in full command. Nothing surprises.
Hence my scepticism that it was deliberate. They even left their anchor as a calling card and the vessel belonged to a non combatant country.
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Ninthace, we have a group of offshore oil platforms that lay within a busy shipping route if the ships took a direct track and didn't observe the restricted area surrounding the platforms. Such was the failure of some ships to observe the restricted area that we were obliged to "beat" them up in our choppers to get their attention, likewise it seemed no one was watch keeping at times. Was so bad that for a period a standing patrol by military aircraft was put in place and later a warship.
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
Norwegian and Icelandic trawlers are always pulling up N sea comms lines
Your average comms cable is loaded to about 70%. In the event of a chop, the adjacent cables pick up the load. The restoration plans are exercised a few times a year and are reviewed at a jolly good booze up technical assessment meeting in a number of pleasant locations.

I hosted a UK event in Cambridge (Heathrow, Stansted close by, excellent restaurants, things to do and see etc.) and had to pick a venue for the traditional afternoon off where the host lays on transport, dinner etc. Duxford was the obvious choice however I noted a few WW2 aircraft and rang my German counterparts to ensure that no sensibilities would be offended on the day. They were delighted to have been consulted and all was well. A few months later at the event, the coaches arrived at Duxford and I noticed that a new exhibition had opened since I did a recce visit. The banners announced the new "Battle of Britain hall". I did the usual British thing of pretending it didn't exist but after a while, I wandered over and peered in to see one of the German directors photographing the diorama of the downed 109. I sidled up to him and said "this wasn't here when we spoke but it's ours now, you're not having it back". Thankfully, he burst out laughing.

Trawlers do snag cables and when they are brought up with the nets, the cable gets chopped and thrown back. Many Irish cables go via Beaufort's Dyke as not many trawlers want to fish there
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Ninthace, we have a group of offshore oil platforms that lay within a busy shipping route if the ships took a direct track and didn't observe the restricted area surrounding the platforms. Such was the failure of some ships to observe the restricted area that we were obliged to "beat" them up in our choppers to get their attention, likewise it seemed no one was watch keeping at times. Was so bad that for a period a standing patrol by military aircraft was put in place and later a warship.
worse some of them HAVE a guy on the bridge but he's totally intoxicated.
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Old 27th Oct 2023, 09:32
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I understand that some countries train a dog to bark whenever they see another ship. It wakes up the chap on the bridge who then feeds the dog.
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Since yesterday morning Russian state operated (subsea capable) vessel Spasatel Karev has been doing a slow dance with Finnish Coast Guard patrol Turva above pipes and comms cables of Gulf of Finland.

One (3h) focal point has been the Kaliningrad - St Petersburg comms cable.

They are not operating over the Baltic connector nor over any of the previously known damaged comms cables.

In pic: present area and Balticconnector area. The other areas outside of map to east and west.


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Finland will close all its border crossings with Russia in the south.

The Finnish government has announced that only 2 crossings, Salla and Vartius, will be open starting today. This is done in response to Russia pushing illegal migrants toward the Finnish border.




Estonia admits "partial or complete" closure of border crossing points with Russia - head of border guard Veiko Kommusaar

"Estonia was aware of Finland's decision to close four border crossing points. This could, of course, mean that people who have gathered at these borders so far will end up at Estonian border crossings," Kommusaar said.

​​​​​​​In relation to the situation in Finland, the Norwegian Minister of Justice:

"Norway is prepared to close the border with Russia on short notice if the situation requires it"

So far, no uptick of migrants on the Nor - Rus border crossing at Storskog.
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"Norway is prepared to close the border with Russia on short notice if the situation requires it"

since all it takes is to park a bus across the entrance to the car park at Kirkenes that's not a major task.................
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Finland is starting to build border barriers. With those built by Poland etc it’s beginning to feel like reverse Berlin Wall

Finland begins to build barriers on the border with the russian federation , involving its military, - Yle.


More on Finland’s border



​​​​​​​ One of those "migrants" who came to the Finnish border said that he was given two options: either Finland or Ukraine.
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Recent developments in Finland:

Over the past few days, Russia has sent an increasing number of migrants to Finland's borders. Finland has closed several border crossing points due to the authorities' threat assessment.

A video surfaced of the Russian operation. 1/

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Increasing clashes on the Finnish-Russian border with migrants.

Finland reported to be considering closing the border completely UTFN.


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Old 20th Nov 2023, 10:42
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Ninthace,
My brother was OOW on a tanker when a ship hove up on the horizon heading straight for him. They tried and failed to raise the vessel on radio and started to take avoiding action when he saw a pair of paws and then a dog's head appear on the bridge wing and begin to bark. Then all hell broke loose on the other vessel and it rapidly changed course.

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Originally Posted by UWAS
Ninthace,
My brother was OOW on a tanker when a ship hove up on the horizon heading straight for him. They tried and failed to raise the vessel on radio and started to take avoiding action when he saw a pair of paws and then a dog's head appear on the bridge wing and begin to bark. Then all hell broke loose on the other vessel and it rapidly changed course.
The mutt was likely only there for a couple of hours, what with it being the dog watch...
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