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Russia Warns Sweden and Finland Against NATO Membership

Old 7th Apr 2023, 21:53
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Finland to buy Israel’s David’s Sling air defense system

The Finnish Ministry of Defense plans to buy the David’s Sling air defense system in a €316 million deal announced just one day after Finland joined NATO.

Finland’s Ministry of Defence said it “authorised the Finnish Defence Forces to procure the David’s Sling system as the next long-range air defence system of Finland.”…

This will be the first export of the David’s Sling system. The system is designed to intercept advanced aerial threats, including ballistic missiles, aircrafts, UAVs and cruise missiles, Israel’s Ministry of Defense said in a statement.…

The agreement with Israel includes interceptors, launchers and radars. While Rafael is the prime contractor, the agreement involves work with IAI’s Elta subsidiary regarding the multi-mission radar for the system, and also Elbit Systems, which makes the command and control system. Together, these are Israel’s three largest defense companies.…


The Finnish version of the system will be manufactured and integrated as a collaboration between Israeli, American and Finnish contractors, led by Rafael and Raytheon Technologies, the Israeli statement said.

Finland’s statement noted the main contract is worth €213 million and includes an immediate exercise of options for another €103 million. The contract also includes other unspecified options for €216 million.

In addition, the Finnish statement notes “the procurement contract will include a separate part between the Israel Ministry of Defence and the Ministry of Defence of Finland to ensure the security of supply of the system. The arrangement will ensure the availability of critical system components in all security situations.”….
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 13:43
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They must be relieved - their land non-NATO border has shrunk from a couple of thousand kms to about 12..... going to get crowded up in Kirkness mind you..........................
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 19:44
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Wht can’t a subset of NATO countries could form a separate “North European Treaty Organization” and invite Finland, Sweden and other like-minded nations to join?
Presumably they wouldn't need to bother having an Article 5 ...
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Old 14th Jun 2023, 16:33
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Denmark Considering Mikitary Submarines After Almost 20 Year Gap

BELFAST — Denmark could be on the way to procuring new submarines as it looks to bolster maritime capabilities and deter Baltic Sea expeditions by Moscow.

The Scandinavian nation divested its fleet of submarines in 2004 but lawmakers are actively considering whether to acquire them again or rely on “close cooperation” with “friends” to deliver such capability, according to Michael Aastrup Jensen, chair of Denmark’s foreign policy committee.

He said during a Hudson Institute event today in Washingtonthat the submarine discussions are happening “right now” as part of a wider political examination of future Danish defense requirements.

“Denmark is very strategic, meaning that all Russian Navy vessels have to sail through our waters if they come out from St. Petersburg or Kaliningrad and therefore we need to beef up our defense in depth, which is a completely new awakening for us,” said Aastrup Jensen.…..
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I was reading somewhere earlier that the US has "blocked" a huge contract for HIMARS destined for Hungary due to the Hungarian opposition to Sweden joining.
Its a shame that the NATO convention does not allow for suspension of what may be considered hostile countries, albeit whether its political or otherwise....
If it did then Turkey and Hungary may find themselves sitting on the sidelines.
But BZ to the US for blocking sales to Hungary..... long may it continue..
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I was reading somewhere earlier that the US has "blocked" a huge contract for HIMARS destined for Hungary due to the Hungarian opposition to Sweden joining.
Its a shame that the NATO convention does not allow for suspension of what may be considered hostile countries, albeit whether its political or otherwise....
If it did then Turkey and Hungary may find themselves sitting on the sidelines.
But BZ to the US for blocking sales to Hungary..... long may it continue..
Hmmm, smart move blocking arms sales to a country rather close to a war zone and a member of an organisation devoted to defending & deferring aggression from an enemy, bearing in mind that Sweden's interest in NATO only came out of the above mentioned war.
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Hmmm, smart move blocking arms sales to a country rather close to a war zone and a member of an organisation devoted to defending & deferring aggression from an enemy, bearing in mind that Sweden's interest in NATO only came out of the above mentioned war.
Is that the same country that is taking Ukrainian POWs at Russia's request? I'm not sure I would trust them with a B-B gun, much less a HIMARS.
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Is that the same country that is taking Ukrainian POWs at Russia's request? I'm not sure I would trust them with a B-B gun, much less a HIMARS.
11 ethnic Hungarians from Trans Carpathia handed over to Hungary -

"Ukrainian Foreign Ministry spokesman Oleg Nikolenko informed on his Facebook page that the release of Ukrainian POWs is always good news. "
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Yeah… right, sure you did….

https://www.defensenews.com/land/202...mars-purchase/

Hungary responds after US senator says he blocked HIMARS purchase

WARSAW, Poland — The Hungarian government has said it abandoned plans to order High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems after last year’s bilateral talks failed to produce an agreement with the United States.

“During the previous government term, the government commissioner responsible for [weapon] procurements requested information regarding the HIMARS missile systems in a letter, with a deadline of March 2022.

There was no response from the American side, and the ministry considered the matter closed,” Hungary’s Defence Ministry said in a statement recently published by the state-run MTI news agency…..

Earlier this week, U.S. Sen. James Risch of Idaho said he had blocked the sale of 24 HIMARS weapons to Hungary.

Speaking to The Washington Post, Risch explained he halted the potential $735 million deal with Hungary due to its government’s refusal to agree to Sweden’s accession to NATO.

The lawmaker is the top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

While Budapest’s latest announcement could represent a face-saving attempt, it also demonstrates the growing distance between the Hungarian government and many of its Western partners…..
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A pair U.S. Air Force B-1 bombers kicked off a historic deployment this week. Per the spokesperson for U.S. Air Forces Europe, they are the first U.S. bombers to have landed in Sweden.



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A pair U.S. Air Force B-1 bombers kicked off a historic deployment this week. Per the spokesperson for U.S. Air Forces Europe, they are the first U.S. bombers to have landed in Sweden.
​​​​​​​He may have forgotten a B-17 or two.
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He may have forgotten a B-17 or two.
And a score of B-24’s or so…
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Now that the NATO conference is over, and he has his promise of new F-16s….

​​​​​​​BREAKING:

Erdogan says it will take time before Turkey ratifies Sweden’s NATO membership application.

- Sweden will first have to present Turkey with an acceptable roadmap

- It can only be ratified after the Turkish parliament’s summer break (meaning October)
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​​​​​​​BREAKING:

The Swedish Supreme Court stops extradition of two Turks wanted by Erdogan, putting Sweden’s NATO membership at risk.
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But reminding Erdogan that they are not as likely to get pushed around as he'd wish.
Sweden can be patient. And they will be. Good for them.
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The US Government approved the procurement of the Israeli “David’s Sling” Weapon System to Finland. After receiving approval, the Israel MOD, Finnish MOD & Rafael Advanced Systems will participate in a ceremony to sign a procurement agreement worth approximately 316 million Euros.



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Old 3rd Aug 2023, 10:15
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There are some security aspects to EU membership, not as compelling as NATO, but then they don't have the lunacy of being politicised by someone who objects to the entry of a neutral country that substantially improves the collective defence of all of NATO, the party objecting being one who is quite happy to commit various levels of genocide, and to act aggressively against "brother" NATO members. There is room for a revision 1.0 to NATO, to remove the petty politics. Right now, we have one NATO country that is constraining NATO partners from using a waterway to ensure freedom of navigation and to ward off a potential famine in the 3rd world... and I actually like parts of their country, and people, but they are exasperating.
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Originally Posted by Rescue3
I was reading somewhere earlier that the US has "blocked" a huge contract for HIMARS destined for Hungary due to the Hungarian opposition to Sweden joining.
Its a shame that the NATO convention does not allow for suspension of what may be considered hostile countries, albeit whether its political or otherwise....
If it did then Turkey and Hungary may find themselves sitting on the sidelines.
But BZ to the US for blocking sales to Hungary..... long may it continue..
Not sure about Hungary, but the west needs Turkey as an ally. Like it or not, Turkey is key at the south eastern corner and bridge to Middle East region. It would be extremely short-sighted to alienate them. Not to say we cannot have disagreements and that we are not bound to do everything they want.
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Politics is a messy business. NATO is, in the end, a political alliance.
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