Help needed identifying someone who is potentially lying about RAF experience
spimbolligan - it's Cranwell 'entry', not 'intake'. So I suggest you use the term 'intake' - he should then correct you and provide the number of his 'entry'!
Ask him what 'The Orange' is....and also what he flew whilst at Cranwell.
Which squadron at Valley - and did he do any weapons training on the Hawk?
Ask him what 'The Orange' is....and also what he flew whilst at Cranwell.
Which squadron at Valley - and did he do any weapons training on the Hawk?
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Or you could just say 'Look dude, it is really important to this project that nobody fibs about their experience and expertise. You have told me that you were a Royal Air Force fighter pilot and you look and sound like a dripping Walt. So, **** me not. Are you on the level?'
The trouble is, he might not like you.
I'll come and do it for a 4 bottle lunch.
(I haven't got any mates either)
The trouble is, he might not like you.
I'll come and do it for a 4 bottle lunch.
(I haven't got any mates either)
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However I am surprised that someone who has used the London Gazette finds it too time consuming. Compared with the time posting here on pprune it was lightning fast. In another post he mentioned the name of a flt lt. In advanced search I entered the name and it immediately returned his RAF details.
In the case of the OP, unless the man has a common name, you should soon narrow it down. You have a year period, he is supposedly GD/P, if chopped he may have re-branched and that would be shown too. It should also show if his commission was relinquished, terminated, or retired.
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Many of the Walts have been close to the role they claim and so have been able to pick up some jargon and some believable stories about their "when I was on xxxx".
Oddly, many stories are told by chaps drinking xxxx (4 x) ..............
See what I did there
Oddly, many stories are told by chaps drinking xxxx (4 x) ..............
See what I did there
Stating the obvious?
Hmm..Sympathise with the difficulties of working for someone who "embellishes" their credentials...I met a few over the years.
However - if this is a sensitive and costly MoD project and said `mate` proves dodgy - then its whistleblowing time. There have been too many cover ups (Allegedly) IMHO.
Good luck.
(As an aside, this forum will be monitored anyway so perhaps wheels are already in motion)
However - if this is a sensitive and costly MoD project and said `mate` proves dodgy - then its whistleblowing time. There have been too many cover ups (Allegedly) IMHO.
Good luck.
(As an aside, this forum will be monitored anyway so perhaps wheels are already in motion)
BGG
Apologies. I just assumed it was an aircraft or aircraft equipment contract. While the policy I spoke of has never been rescinded, I do know, for example, that DLO IPTs stopped implementing it and many at AbbeyWood ignored it. Nevertheless, it is mandated primarily because it is the means by which company staff are vetted when granted financial delegation to commit MoD funding without having to seek approval every time. Such appointees are only nominated by the company, but formally approved by MoD, who have the right to hire and fire. The same policy forms the basis of GOCO type contracts. Hence, it is imperative the CVs be correct and the regs require them to be checked regularly. Used to be every year, but I know we went to 3 years when satisfied there was continuity. The only time I ever sacked someone! His CV was accurate, but he was not properly qualified.
Not always the case, depends on the nature of the project is Tuc. I guess you're assuming that this is the type you're familiar with.
Apologies. I just assumed it was an aircraft or aircraft equipment contract. While the policy I spoke of has never been rescinded, I do know, for example, that DLO IPTs stopped implementing it and many at AbbeyWood ignored it. Nevertheless, it is mandated primarily because it is the means by which company staff are vetted when granted financial delegation to commit MoD funding without having to seek approval every time. Such appointees are only nominated by the company, but formally approved by MoD, who have the right to hire and fire. The same policy forms the basis of GOCO type contracts. Hence, it is imperative the CVs be correct and the regs require them to be checked regularly. Used to be every year, but I know we went to 3 years when satisfied there was continuity. The only time I ever sacked someone! His CV was accurate, but he was not properly qualified.
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Spimbolligan
The final Flight Cadet entry at Cranwell was 101, who graduated, and received their commissions, in 1972 IIRC. Entries after that for a couple of years were designated by low numbers followed by GE (Graduate Entry) and the entrants were already commissioned.
This is a simplification but it might help you.
Do let us how you get on.
Rgds SOS
This is a simplification but it might help you.
Do let us how you get on.
Rgds SOS
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Spimbolligan,
You've got bigger problems in your co-worker than you first considered. Any level-headed, intelligent and mentally stable person who'd served in the RAF would be keeping very quiet about the fact.
Mopeds and fat girls spring to mind
You've got bigger problems in your co-worker than you first considered. Any level-headed, intelligent and mentally stable person who'd served in the RAF would be keeping very quiet about the fact.
Mopeds and fat girls spring to mind
London Gazette
PN, et al,
There is little point looking for anything recent in the London gazette, becasue, err, the RAF no longer 'Gazettes' it's officers. Stopped in the mid-2000s, along with a published RAF List - both a rather mean-spirited cost-daving measures.
There is little point looking for anything recent in the London gazette, becasue, err, the RAF no longer 'Gazettes' it's officers. Stopped in the mid-2000s, along with a published RAF List - both a rather mean-spirited cost-daving measures.
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Just a thought??? What if the OP is..... "The gentleman in question claims to have flown Hawks in the RAF in the mid to late 1970s" and looking for info?
Bet you never thought of that. It was quite a common ploy by myself and other operators in MI6 to gain intelligence.
Daz.
Bet you never thought of that. It was quite a common ploy by myself and other operators in MI6 to gain intelligence.
Daz.
Help needed identifying someone who is potentially lying about RAF experience
Courtney and BEags,
The two captions are intrinsically linked. A failure of the ECA will lead to an over temp at high power settings. Hence you will get both captions. Ironically although the T6NL is a red caption and the ECA is yellow, the latter becomes the priority. That is because the drill for T6NL is to select idle. With an ECA failure that may flame the engine out.
I love a bit of tech talk in the morning. Smells like...
(Please fill in the gap as you deem appropriate).
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The two captions are intrinsically linked. A failure of the ECA will lead to an over temp at high power settings. Hence you will get both captions. Ironically although the T6NL is a red caption and the ECA is yellow, the latter becomes the priority. That is because the drill for T6NL is to select idle. With an ECA failure that may flame the engine out.
I love a bit of tech talk in the morning. Smells like...
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TigerM @ #38 ... I thought the Vigilant was our Top Secret 4th V Force Bomber
There are many good Air Cadet Officers/Staff who willingly give up their spare time to genuinely help our young people get interested in flying and the RAF rather than sit on their a$$ and/or beat up old ladies ... Equally you will, like in all walks of life, get a few pr@ts.
I can recall an Air Cadet Wing Co referring to his new GI "wings", when first issued, that they "looked like the real thing" on No 5's
Sad really ... as comments like that tend to tar the more modest volunteers who have worked hard/long to get their GI Rating ... as have professional Regular Aircrew ... but there can be no other comparison.
Easy mistake to make I suppose ... especially if you've had a couple of sherbets
There are many good Air Cadet Officers/Staff who willingly give up their spare time to genuinely help our young people get interested in flying and the RAF rather than sit on their a$$ and/or beat up old ladies ... Equally you will, like in all walks of life, get a few pr@ts.
I can recall an Air Cadet Wing Co referring to his new GI "wings", when first issued, that they "looked like the real thing" on No 5's
Sad really ... as comments like that tend to tar the more modest volunteers who have worked hard/long to get their GI Rating ... as have professional Regular Aircrew ... but there can be no other comparison.
Easy mistake to make I suppose ... especially if you've had a couple of sherbets
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If he retired in his early 40s then that would have been in the 1990s and definitely gazetted.
Thanks, Bob Viking!
I only did 146 hrs on the Hawk and it was all some 32 years ago, so thanks again for the correction.
The Hawk did have some quirks back then - I seem to recall that pressing the relight button in flight caused all manner of things to happen as accessories were dropped off line? On taxying out at Chiv, I noticed that the GTS had started itself. Tried shutting it down again (can't remember how one did that), but it started itself again - so I binned the trip. It turned out to be a short in the throttle switch, which would have meant that as soon as the weight had come off the wheels on take-off, I'd have had lots of unwelcome captions, nicht wahr?
I only did 146 hrs on the Hawk and it was all some 32 years ago, so thanks again for the correction.
The Hawk did have some quirks back then - I seem to recall that pressing the relight button in flight caused all manner of things to happen as accessories were dropped off line? On taxying out at Chiv, I noticed that the GTS had started itself. Tried shutting it down again (can't remember how one did that), but it started itself again - so I binned the trip. It turned out to be a short in the throttle switch, which would have meant that as soon as the weight had come off the wheels on take-off, I'd have had lots of unwelcome captions, nicht wahr?
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As far as the bloke in the OP's post is concerned, I think 'mid-70s' is stretching it with respect to the Hawk. Late 70s - perhaps. I did my Gnat course in '77 and, towards the end of my course, the Hawk was just being introduced into Valley service for QFI training.
From personal experience, the T6NL caption was a bad thing.
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From personal experience, the T6NL caption was a bad thing.
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Yep, I was on 9 Cse at Valley and the first Hawk course started after us: one of the guys on the first course was Chris who had been on the course 1 behind me at LoO.
That would be late 77 definitively when the Hawk came into training service at VYY.
That would be late 77 definitively when the Hawk came into training service at VYY.
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There are many good Air Cadet Officers/Staff who willingly give up their spare time to genuinely help our young people get interested in flying and the RAF rather than sit on their a$$ and/or beat up old ladies ... Equally you will, like in all walks of life, get a few pr@ts.
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I learnt about faults from that . . .
On taxying out at Chiv, I noticed that the GTS had started itself. Tried shutting it down again (can't remember how one did that), but it started itself again - so I binned the trip. It turned out to be a short in the throttle switch, which would have meant that as soon as the weight had come off the wheels on take-off, I'd have had lots of unwelcome captions, nicht wahr?
Back to the OP, ask him for a war story, 'any dicey moments in the Hawk . . . '
Walt's delight, 'there I was, upside down, nothing on the clock except the maker's name and that was in French'