Help needed identifying someone who is potentially lying about RAF experience
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Is it possible that he did get onto Hawks but got chopped and is slightly embarrassed to admit that? And/or that he has 'overlooked' that point as he has gone forward in his career since then?
Let's face it, 'I served in the RAF and flew Hawks' could be technically true and looks far better on a CV, than 'I tried to be a pilot but got binned'. Who here doesn't try to make their CV/career look and sound as good as possible, accentuating the positives without actually telling lies?
Or he could be walting, pure and simple.
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who got chopped
Let's face it, 'I served in the RAF and flew Hawks' could be technically true and looks far better on a CV, than 'I tried to be a pilot but got binned'. Who here doesn't try to make their CV/career look and sound as good as possible, accentuating the positives without actually telling lies?
Or he could be walting, pure and simple.
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who got chopped
T6NL
I have over 1000 hrs on Hawks, but cannot for the life of me remember what a T6NL caption was for 
ps I was that A2 QFI
ps I was that A2 QFI
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It is important this guy is who he says, but I'm not sure DE&S would be too interested. They wouldn't be too keen on the CVs of some of their own people being scrutinized too closely! I know one civvy, now a 2 Star, whose early CV is a complete fabrication. He claimed experience in aircraft trials management and was given a Grade 7 job on that basis. Turned out he'd visited an air station for a half day to watch some kit being fitted to a helo for a trial.
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I can understand the OP going through this carefully as if person is whom he says he is and finds you checking him then a huge element of trust will disappear.......foreever.
OP is being taken at face value the reason why he/she is checking up on this individual.
Its quite possible individual doesn't want to remember his history for whatever reason and I believe there can be many reasons for this.
Person is on the project for a reason and clearly brings some skills onto it but if you feel that it is an issue then request all individuals on the project provide evidence of verifiable career history.
OP is being taken at face value the reason why he/she is checking up on this individual.
Its quite possible individual doesn't want to remember his history for whatever reason and I believe there can be many reasons for this.
Person is on the project for a reason and clearly brings some skills onto it but if you feel that it is an issue then request all individuals on the project provide evidence of verifiable career history.
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I once met the wife of a contemporary who was chopped at Nav School (unusual surname led me to ask if she was related) - she said how sad it was that the medical problems on his fast jet OCU had led to him joining a ground branch. He later went on to become a Wing Commander.....
Wasn't T6NL more usually caused by Engine Control Amplifier failure rather than a direct internal engine failure? The indication meaning that the temp at the 6th plane and/or the LP shaft speed were no longer being controlled correctly?
Do keep us informed re. this likely Walt.
Do keep us informed re. this likely Walt.
if you feel that it is an issue then request all individuals on the project provide evidence of verifiable career history.
This is mandated (or should be) in the Invitation to Tender. The resulting Project Management Plan will, near the beginning, have the C.V.s of the senior company people e.g. Project Manager, Quality, Risk, Engineering, Commercial etc.
If you want to avoid speaking out internally, ask MoD when they are going to conduct an audit of the PMP for continued validity. This would be required, for example, at a significant contract amendment or when one of the named officers left. That would be a good excuse and seen to be at MoD's behest. The audit should drill down through the management chain, although wouldn't be too bothered about very junior staffs.
To take Dervish's point (I know who you're talking about - he's no longer at ABW as he got promoted) I have known companies who have done this in reverse, challenging MoD staff suitability.
Smart BAE would have come up with and ECA caption for that, wouldn't they?
I think I was confusing it with another aeroplane type, which had a top temp isolation switch - or rather, 4 of them. If a TTC switch was set to isolate, the control amplifier was isolated and top temp and NL protection was no longer available.
Too many years and too many types, I guess!
Too many years and too many types, I guess!
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I know someone who did that while showing some visitors around with the battery switched off convinced that nothing would happen.
Damn that commoned battery supply
Out of interest, if anyone else has the misfortune to make the same mistake, go and admit to the engineers what you have done sharpish. The contents of the fire extinguisher corrode the engine parts if you don't burn it off quickly.
Damn that commoned battery supply
Out of interest, if anyone else has the misfortune to make the same mistake, go and admit to the engineers what you have done sharpish. The contents of the fire extinguisher corrode the engine parts if you don't burn it off quickly.
Once upon a time I flew an aircraft with a 'push to test' fire button (before engine start), and then I went to fly an aircraft with a 'pull to test' fire button.
Even before first solo I discovered there were an awful lot of screws to undo to get at the engine fire extinguishers on a Wessex! And I had plenty of practice!
Even before first solo I discovered there were an awful lot of screws to undo to get at the engine fire extinguishers on a Wessex! And I had plenty of practice!
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Every serviceman will have a high point, low point in their career that they can answer swiftly and with confidence if asked. Likewise they will have been on an awesome detachment and a right sh17hole somewhere that again will roll off the tongue without thought. The best fiction is an embellishment of fact, anything else will be easily seen as the person takes time to think about an answer.
The Hawk was also known at the time you mention as the HS1182, HS being Hawker Siddeley an independent manufacturer before the creation of BAe. One ride in the back of a jet does not make you into a jet jockey, but it could enable a Walt to recite tails of daring do down the welsh valleys.
I recently attended a formal ATC dinner in which many wore miniature medals and talked with bravado about flights in this and that. I wore black tie and no medals and never before have I heard so much sh*te coming across a table in such a short period of time. It is amazing how many jubilee medals of 1977 the ATC appear to have got given that most stns and regiments only got 2 or 3.
Or the No5 equipped officers adorned with RAF pilots wings who when asked about which stallion he rode replied with Vigilant!
The Hawk was also known at the time you mention as the HS1182, HS being Hawker Siddeley an independent manufacturer before the creation of BAe. One ride in the back of a jet does not make you into a jet jockey, but it could enable a Walt to recite tails of daring do down the welsh valleys.
I recently attended a formal ATC dinner in which many wore miniature medals and talked with bravado about flights in this and that. I wore black tie and no medals and never before have I heard so much sh*te coming across a table in such a short period of time. It is amazing how many jubilee medals of 1977 the ATC appear to have got given that most stns and regiments only got 2 or 3.
Or the No5 equipped officers adorned with RAF pilots wings who when asked about which stallion he rode replied with Vigilant!
Sometimes, in this techno world, it isn't so easy to define what one's job was in the past.
i.e. I was a Halton Apprentice (1952-1955).
I served 5 years in the RAF as a G/E on various A/C such as Canberra/Valiants and 16 years as a Flight Engineer on Hastings/VC10's.
This was followed by a total of 16 years in commercial aviation as an F/E on Convair 880's; B707; L1011 and B747 200/300, then I retired.
I'm often asked what do you do...I reply "I'm 75...I sleep most of the time."
The next inevitable question is "What did you previously do?' and I say I was a Flight Engineer.
"A what!" is the usual response.
It is simplistic for me to say I was a 2nd officer, which presumes I was a pilot. This is not a lie as I had a PPl on Chipmunks but, like my UK driving licence, it has long ago expired.
But, that seems to satisfy the inquiry and the subsequent knowledge based b/s that I advocate at dinner parties, especially when well imbibed.
i.e. I was a Halton Apprentice (1952-1955).
I served 5 years in the RAF as a G/E on various A/C such as Canberra/Valiants and 16 years as a Flight Engineer on Hastings/VC10's.
This was followed by a total of 16 years in commercial aviation as an F/E on Convair 880's; B707; L1011 and B747 200/300, then I retired.
I'm often asked what do you do...I reply "I'm 75...I sleep most of the time."
The next inevitable question is "What did you previously do?' and I say I was a Flight Engineer.
"A what!" is the usual response.
It is simplistic for me to say I was a 2nd officer, which presumes I was a pilot. This is not a lie as I had a PPl on Chipmunks but, like my UK driving licence, it has long ago expired.
But, that seems to satisfy the inquiry and the subsequent knowledge based b/s that I advocate at dinner parties, especially when well imbibed.
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Thanks everyone for your thoughts and advice, especially Courtney Mil, 30mRad and BEags all of whom provided additional help via PM.
I'll be meeting the character in question today. I don't think he served but I'll give him the opportunity to provide info that establishes his bona fides (Service number, Cranwell intake etc) or retract his story.
I'll be meeting the character in question today. I don't think he served but I'll give him the opportunity to provide info that establishes his bona fides (Service number, Cranwell intake etc) or retract his story.
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I don't think he served
Many of the Walts have been close to the role they claim and so have been able to pick up some jargon and some believable stories about their "when I was on xxxx".