Here it comes: Syria
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I see that there are a number of interesting videos filmed at Hmeymim Air Base showing KA-52 Alligator (look in the background of the first few seconds of this video)
and Mi-28 Havoc (see 15 second mark)
Haven't seen much reported of their use in Syria so far.
and Mi-28 Havoc (see 15 second mark)
Haven't seen much reported of their use in Syria so far.
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BTW, for those interested in details, it was emphasized along with the "main announcement" that not all the aircraft will be returned back to Russia. A certain minimum will remain. Somewhat a sqdrn of attack aircraft and some fighters to support them. The same for some helicopters. And of course S-400 and Pantzyr anti-aircraft ground systems will remain as well. It was also published in the (Russian) official press that if necessary it will be a matter of hours to return.
Just to avoid being blamed in inconsistency....
Just to avoid being blamed in inconsistency....
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Had to scroll all the way back into the third tier to find this thread again- probably a fair indication of how highly it rates on the current agenda.12 days will have passed since the last entry to mine. And that is entirely indicative of the level of interest in this air war, being carried out by real RAF aircrew under real threat. Amazing. It was front page news for days on end a few short weeks ago. Now it doesn't even rate on Prune. Chipmunks, Air cadets not in gliders and long forgotten piss ups rate far higher....Why is this?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...-against-daesh
The latest Govt. spin about it above in a linky. Thursday 17th of March the RAF were carrying out multiple attacks in Northern Iraq in what must have been a bit of a party for some, and yet it features absolutely nowhere on here (Prune).
Amazed still and a little dismayed. Not saying there should be a daily upbriefing on all combat carried out in our names, it just worries me that service actions, combat missions and our own peoples lives are now regarded in such a dismally low level of attention or scrutiny or give a ****.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...-against-daesh
The latest Govt. spin about it above in a linky. Thursday 17th of March the RAF were carrying out multiple attacks in Northern Iraq in what must have been a bit of a party for some, and yet it features absolutely nowhere on here (Prune).
Amazed still and a little dismayed. Not saying there should be a daily upbriefing on all combat carried out in our names, it just worries me that service actions, combat missions and our own peoples lives are now regarded in such a dismally low level of attention or scrutiny or give a ****.
hangarshuffle,
What on earth makes you think that a lack of posting on a rumour site indicates
"a dismally low level of attention or scrutiny?"
It's a rumour web site.
Get over yourself.
What on earth makes you think that a lack of posting on a rumour site indicates
"a dismally low level of attention or scrutiny?"
It's a rumour web site.
Get over yourself.
Yesterday DoD and EUCOM put out a press release saying all dependents to leave Turkey asap
Families ordered to leave Turkey are unlikely to return - Europe - Stripes
KAISERSLAUTERN, Germany — The U.S. military is arranging accommodations for hundreds of dependents of Defense Department personnel ordered to leave Turkey because of security fears, a departure that most likely will be permanent.
“Families are being briefed on all their options,” said Julie Weckerlein, a spokeswoman for U.S. European Command.
Those options include returning to one’s home of record in the States or moving to a follow-on assignment if there is one, she said. Families with school-age children will also likely be able to stay at Ramstein Air Base temporarily so their kids can finish out the school year, Air Force officials at Ramstein said.
In all scenarios, the military is paying expenses such as transportation and lodging for those families.
Upon arriving at their destination, families will be greeted by a team that will address housing, medical, financial and educational needs, Weckerlein said.
The mandatory departure, ordered Tuesday by the State and Defense departments, affects about 670 dependents of military and civilian personnel at Incirlik and those at smaller bases in Izmir and Mugla. The families of U.S. diplomats in the same areas are also ordered to depart.
No specific threat triggered the dramatic move to pull most dependents out of Turkey, the Pentagon said Tuesday.
“This was a decision made out of an abundance of caution, given the overall picture, the security threats that … we looked at in the region,” Defense Department spokesman Peter Cook said.
Weckerlein added that “they’ve been considering this for some time.”
“While realizing how disruptive this is for our families,” she said, “the top priority is their safety, security and well-being.”
Cook said the decision was also made at the request of EUCOM commander Gen. Philip Breedlove.
“This decision allows for the deliberate safe return of family members from these areas due to continued security concerns in the region,” Cook said at a Pentagon briefing. “It in no way signifies a permanent decision to end accompanied tours at these facilities and is specifically intended to mitigate the risk to DOD elements and personnel, including family.”
The military is reviewing the status of Incirlik and other installations in Turkey as a family destination, officials said. It’s not known when or if families might be able to return to the affected installations.
“They’re not going to be gone for three months and return,” Weckerlein said. “At this time, dependents won’t be in Turkey. There is no timeline of a return.”
The types of tours at these installations — unaccompanied versus accompanied — as well as tour lengths are currently under review, she said.
How long personnel whose families have left Turkey might remain there is also being reviewed, Weckerlein said. If, for example, an airmen is on a three-year accompanied tour without family, that tour length may be adjusted, she said.
For now, servicemembers will continue to reside in installation housing as long as they’re there, she said.
Uncertainty about the nature of future tours to the base comes as military operations at Incirlik have increased. The base is on the front lines of the fight against the Islamic State group in Syria and Iraq, with U.S. fighters routinely launching from Incirlik on strike missions.
But the security situation in Turkey has been deteriorating in recent months as Turkey has been hit with a series of terrorist attacks, including high-profile bombings in Istanbul, Ankara and southern Turkey. Defense Department personnel and their dependents in Europe are restricted from traveling there.
ke a permi move
Families ordered to leave Turkey are unlikely to return - Europe - Stripes
KAISERSLAUTERN, Germany — The U.S. military is arranging accommodations for hundreds of dependents of Defense Department personnel ordered to leave Turkey because of security fears, a departure that most likely will be permanent.
“Families are being briefed on all their options,” said Julie Weckerlein, a spokeswoman for U.S. European Command.
Those options include returning to one’s home of record in the States or moving to a follow-on assignment if there is one, she said. Families with school-age children will also likely be able to stay at Ramstein Air Base temporarily so their kids can finish out the school year, Air Force officials at Ramstein said.
In all scenarios, the military is paying expenses such as transportation and lodging for those families.
Upon arriving at their destination, families will be greeted by a team that will address housing, medical, financial and educational needs, Weckerlein said.
The mandatory departure, ordered Tuesday by the State and Defense departments, affects about 670 dependents of military and civilian personnel at Incirlik and those at smaller bases in Izmir and Mugla. The families of U.S. diplomats in the same areas are also ordered to depart.
No specific threat triggered the dramatic move to pull most dependents out of Turkey, the Pentagon said Tuesday.
“This was a decision made out of an abundance of caution, given the overall picture, the security threats that … we looked at in the region,” Defense Department spokesman Peter Cook said.
Weckerlein added that “they’ve been considering this for some time.”
“While realizing how disruptive this is for our families,” she said, “the top priority is their safety, security and well-being.”
Cook said the decision was also made at the request of EUCOM commander Gen. Philip Breedlove.
“This decision allows for the deliberate safe return of family members from these areas due to continued security concerns in the region,” Cook said at a Pentagon briefing. “It in no way signifies a permanent decision to end accompanied tours at these facilities and is specifically intended to mitigate the risk to DOD elements and personnel, including family.”
The military is reviewing the status of Incirlik and other installations in Turkey as a family destination, officials said. It’s not known when or if families might be able to return to the affected installations.
“They’re not going to be gone for three months and return,” Weckerlein said. “At this time, dependents won’t be in Turkey. There is no timeline of a return.”
The types of tours at these installations — unaccompanied versus accompanied — as well as tour lengths are currently under review, she said.
How long personnel whose families have left Turkey might remain there is also being reviewed, Weckerlein said. If, for example, an airmen is on a three-year accompanied tour without family, that tour length may be adjusted, she said.
For now, servicemembers will continue to reside in installation housing as long as they’re there, she said.
Uncertainty about the nature of future tours to the base comes as military operations at Incirlik have increased. The base is on the front lines of the fight against the Islamic State group in Syria and Iraq, with U.S. fighters routinely launching from Incirlik on strike missions.
But the security situation in Turkey has been deteriorating in recent months as Turkey has been hit with a series of terrorist attacks, including high-profile bombings in Istanbul, Ankara and southern Turkey. Defense Department personnel and their dependents in Europe are restricted from traveling there.
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UK's never ending involvement in conflict continues.
Might as well post it. We seem so blasé and almost immune to questioning or challenging why we are now almost continually involved in war fighting and conflict.
New types of bombs dropped recently.
ISIS hit by RAF's 2,000lb bunker bombs in new Ministry of Defence video | Daily Mail Online
Our special forces on operations in Syria I think.
Moment western troops use a Javelin anti-tank missile launcher to take out a 'Mad-Max-style' ISIS car bomb | Daily Mail Online
The Yemen, Syria, Iran and Libya the UK's armed forces are presently involved with on real operations (and probably half a dozen more countries as well).
There will never be peace again. Conflict is such a waste.
New types of bombs dropped recently.
ISIS hit by RAF's 2,000lb bunker bombs in new Ministry of Defence video | Daily Mail Online
Our special forces on operations in Syria I think.
Moment western troops use a Javelin anti-tank missile launcher to take out a 'Mad-Max-style' ISIS car bomb | Daily Mail Online
The Yemen, Syria, Iran and Libya the UK's armed forces are presently involved with on real operations (and probably half a dozen more countries as well).
There will never be peace again. Conflict is such a waste.
New types of bombs dropped recently.
ISIS hit by RAF's 2,000lb bunker bombs in new Ministry of Defence video | Daily Mail Online
ISIS hit by RAF's 2,000lb bunker bombs in new Ministry of Defence video | Daily Mail Online
There will never be peace again. Conflict is such a waste.
Funnily enough, even during that "stable" era there were plenty of wars all over this planet. I guess you just weren't paying attention.
Crying about the multi polar world being dangerous won't change anything.
Europe had three hundred years of serious growing pains to get us to the current era. Thirty years war through the end of WW II. It looks like the Middle East is having the opportunity to go through similar growing pains. Look on the bright side: they may be better off at the far end, just as Europe was/is.
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Hangershuffle,
Good assessment, see the confirmation below:
There will never be peace again.
The top U.S. intelligence official, James Clapper, warned this week that the Islamic State is operating clandestine cells in Britain, Germany and Italy. At the same time, European security services are in a quandary over how to handle the hundreds, possibly thousands, of young men who have gone to Syria to join ISIS, but come back claiming to disavow the group.
Hillbillygirl? Yale educated lawyer, grew up in Chicago, long political career. Sheesh, I've got no time for the woman but for God's sake, if you're going to try to disparage the woman at least try to include a shred of truth!
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
/Israel fears IS affiliate on Syrian border holds chemical weapons
Officials are monitoring the actions of the Yarmouk Martyrs Brigade, believing they may be planning to test the deadly agents
Officials are monitoring the actions of the Yarmouk Martyrs Brigade, believing they may be planning to test the deadly agents
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wdew,
Just re-post your old "Coup" post and all will understand where you are coming from.
The US must be expecting trouble and they( Hillbillygirl) wouldnt like a repeat of Benghazi Ambassador killing again just before a presidential election in the US .
Administrator
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Old rule of war: the enemy gets a vote. True from whatever side you are on.
Would this be considered escalation????
Russian jets strike American-backed forces in Syria, ignoring U.S. warnings - LA Times
Russian jets strike American-backed forces in Syria, ignoring U.S. warnings - LA Times
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Isis shoots down Russian helicopter near Palmyra in Syria
A Russian military helicopter has been shot down by Isis near Palmyra, Syria, killing both pilots. The men have been named as Ryafagat Khabibulin and Yevgeny Dolgin.
The Mi-25 aircraft was reportedly conducting a test flight in the area when it received a request for assistance from the Syrian military, who were under attack from a group of Isis militants to the east of Palmyra. But after running out of ammunition, the helicopter was shot down, Russian news agency Sputnik reported.
A statement from the defence ministry said: “The crew received a request from the Syrian unit's command to strike the advancing fighters. The captain, Ryafagat Khabibulin, made a decision to attack the terrorists. The skillful actions of the Russian crew thwarted the terrorists' advance.
When the helicopter's ammunition was spent and it changed its course to the opposite direction, it was shot down by terrorists from the ground and crashed in an area controlled by the Syrian government army. The helicopter's crew was killed.”.....
A Russian military helicopter has been shot down by Isis near Palmyra, Syria, killing both pilots. The men have been named as Ryafagat Khabibulin and Yevgeny Dolgin.
The Mi-25 aircraft was reportedly conducting a test flight in the area when it received a request for assistance from the Syrian military, who were under attack from a group of Isis militants to the east of Palmyra. But after running out of ammunition, the helicopter was shot down, Russian news agency Sputnik reported.
A statement from the defence ministry said: “The crew received a request from the Syrian unit's command to strike the advancing fighters. The captain, Ryafagat Khabibulin, made a decision to attack the terrorists. The skillful actions of the Russian crew thwarted the terrorists' advance.
When the helicopter's ammunition was spent and it changed its course to the opposite direction, it was shot down by terrorists from the ground and crashed in an area controlled by the Syrian government army. The helicopter's crew was killed.”.....