Lightning Mate
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Top guns fitted to early marks. You could also fit a gun pack instead of the missile pack and get 4 Aden cannon on board!! Great fun to fire but the vibration could cause problems!
I also saw the aftermath of perhaps the only Harrier 6-pod shoot (using twin-store carriers), which showed that there was a high probability of self damage with so much debris flying about, especially the frangible nose cones.
Last edited by noprobs; 21st Dec 2012 at 18:29.
When you have got bored with saying "use the fekkin' rudders and not the 'ailerons' " and so to make the point put in a largeish rudder input only to discover that (at the same time) said JP is whacking on a huge handful of left-hand-down-a-bit with the stick, the next 30 seconds or so are "quite interesting".
The point I am making is that vague and ambiguous words of instruction
leading to potentially dangerous simultaneous control inputs are pretty poor instructional technique.
The sort of thing which many of us had to endure in the 1970s.
Some 'instructors' might scoff at CFS standards of phraseology, but they were developed through bitter experience for all levels of flight instruction.
Oh - and the expression is 'control column', not 'stick'..... OO
"use the fekkin' rudders and not the 'ailerons'"
The sort of thing which many of us had to endure in the 1970s.
Some 'instructors' might scoff at CFS standards of phraseology, but they were developed through bitter experience for all levels of flight instruction.
Oh - and the expression is 'control column', not 'stick'..... OO
Last edited by BEagle; 22nd Dec 2012 at 13:05.
You're getting sensitive in yer old age Beags.
For those of you who were not qualified on the Jaguar, and with reference to Wholis' comment, the Jaguar did not have ailerons.
edit: mind you Beags, I totally agree with you - one did not p*** about with the Jaguar. Just like its' animal namesake, its' bite was hard and too often fatal.
For those of you who were not qualified on the Jaguar, and with reference to Wholis' comment, the Jaguar did not have ailerons.
edit: mind you Beags, I totally agree with you - one did not p*** about with the Jaguar. Just like its' animal namesake, its' bite was hard and too often fatal.
Last edited by Lightning Mate; 22nd Dec 2012 at 13:18.
Which is wholly different to your original comment, Wholi'! All now makes sense, sorry to have doubted you.
If the JP was indeed manipulating the controls during your demo, after your interesting 30 sec of recovery, I imagine that he was 'significantly rebriefed' about the IHC / YHC code?
Anyway, thanks for the clarification. Having some tw@t doing his best to kill you despite the brief can't have been much fun!
I can only recall one personal instance of 'who has control'? During my first ever formation ride in a Hawk during a refresher course, my QFI took control to demo something. A few seconds later, he exclaimed "WTF are you doing?" as we closed rather alarmingly on the leader. "Nothing", I said, "I'm not flying it!". An abject apology followed as the realisation dawned and we had a beer in the pub later.
During my training days, a 'who has control' incident a mate had in a Chipmunk on final had the runway caravan mate running off in fear of his life...
But I won't elaborate further - let's get back to some good WIWOL tales!
If the JP was indeed manipulating the controls during your demo, after your interesting 30 sec of recovery, I imagine that he was 'significantly rebriefed' about the IHC / YHC code?
Anyway, thanks for the clarification. Having some tw@t doing his best to kill you despite the brief can't have been much fun!
I can only recall one personal instance of 'who has control'? During my first ever formation ride in a Hawk during a refresher course, my QFI took control to demo something. A few seconds later, he exclaimed "WTF are you doing?" as we closed rather alarmingly on the leader. "Nothing", I said, "I'm not flying it!". An abject apology followed as the realisation dawned and we had a beer in the pub later.
During my training days, a 'who has control' incident a mate had in a Chipmunk on final had the runway caravan mate running off in fear of his life...
But I won't elaborate further - let's get back to some good WIWOL tales!
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
And on that point, which feckwit decided to design an aircraft with not very much lift in its wings and then destroy a bunch of that lift every time you want to roll the bugger?!?!?!?
ORAC
Me too - I remember one accident which saw the loss of a fellow singly but I can't recall the second despite the fact I ought to with two occurring? Maybe you could PM please we may well know each other!
I was at Colt in 75...
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That's why I removed my posts newt.
Supposed to be a jolly banter thread, where you don't necessarily have to write the exact words used 30 odd years ago, but rather you write it so that people can enjoy the fun involved, instead of having to "virtually" wade through the equivalent of yet another straight and level fekkin' phase brief.
Can't be ar$ed to deal with that s**t or respond any more.
Anyway, Happy Christmas to one and all.
Supposed to be a jolly banter thread, where you don't necessarily have to write the exact words used 30 odd years ago, but rather you write it so that people can enjoy the fun involved, instead of having to "virtually" wade through the equivalent of yet another straight and level fekkin' phase brief.
Can't be ar$ed to deal with that s**t or respond any more.
Anyway, Happy Christmas to one and all.
....and you mate. Cheers.
Why don't we start a new thread along the lines of - "what's the definition of a real aeroplane" to bait the civvie computer drivers.
First answer - it has a trigger.
Why don't we start a new thread along the lines of - "what's the definition of a real aeroplane" to bait the civvie computer drivers.
First answer - it has a trigger.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
......NATO exercise Teamwork 76 saw the loss of two more Jaguars and their pilots. On September 15th 1976 GR.1 XX735 from No 6 Squadron crashed near Eggebek, West Germany, killing Flt Lt G L Sheppard. Two days later GR.1 XX120 from No 54 Squadron crashed into the Kattegat off Samsoe Island, Denmark, killing Flt Lt P S West.
