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Old 30th Aug 2023, 17:17
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long read but interesting

Blind, See, Kill: U.S. Pacific Commander's Grand Networking Plan To Take On China (msn.com)
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The US should reflag islands in the South China Sea (msn.com)
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Old 30th Aug 2023, 18:21
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So how does annexing somebody else's territory in the name of the US make one better than the Chinese?
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Old 30th Aug 2023, 20:27
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Everything is fine because James Cleverly is in China to kiss, well do something. Britain is so broken.
Actually there was an interesting take on this today from the Ex Aussie PM (I think it was) Malcolm Turnbull.
Who said that until recently China had pursued the line of aggressive negotiation and stamping on countries that didn't align with their view of trade and the world.
Australia copped a great deal of that flack.
Wolf Warrior diplomacy.

However it hasn't worked out as they expected when countries like Australia and Vietnam told them to sling their hook.

They have since started a period of a more agreeable diplomacy, especially as their economy is on the brink and Russia has been a good barometer of the capabilities of their military kit.

So James Cleverly has seen an opportunity in the thawing of relations to hopefully make some beneficial changes.
It would appear the US has done the same.

So its not all as we are led to believe, there is a bigger picture going on.
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Old 31st Aug 2023, 03:00
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So how does annexing somebody else's territory in the name of the US make one better than the Chinese?
i believe that the article states that the US would lease the islands with the permission of the owning state, not annex them
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Ahhh - so that's OK then................

why would you take on that responsibility? every island you took over would be an indefensible hostage to the future - if the Chinese took over a tiny reef would you retaliate? Would the US Public/Congress want a war with China over a tiny leased reef that wasn't even part of the USA???

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Old 31st Aug 2023, 08:34
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Would the US Public/Congress want a war with China over a tiny leased reef that wasn't even part of the USA???
Depends what and how much they put there.

Diego Garcia as an example….
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Old 31st Aug 2023, 08:37
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Originally Posted by judyjudy
i believe that the article states that the US would lease the islands with the permission of the owning state, not annex them
A subtlety that would be overlooked by the Pentagon and the Chinese.
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Old 31st Aug 2023, 09:49
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Depends what and how much they put there.

Diego Garcia as an example….
Indeed - but that's a well established base - the suggestion is to reflag various atolls in the S China Sea - once you've put up a flag do you then invest $$$$$ to make them defendable or is it just a flag?
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Old 31st Aug 2023, 13:22
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...outh-china-sea

When China proposes loudly that both sides 'recognize the law', they are careful not to say ‘International Law’.

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Old 31st Aug 2023, 13:32
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Latest version for the G20 summit is a nine ten-dash line. (With all 'their' islands marked lilac.)





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Old 31st Aug 2023, 16:30
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One can see why their neighbors object to such line drawings.

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Old 1st Sep 2023, 07:31
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yes - you really have to try hard to upset EVERYONE
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Old 1st Sep 2023, 08:15
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yes - you really have to try hard to upset EVERYONE
I imagine the poor soul responsible for drawing the map was caught between a rock and a hard place and took the line of least resistance from their point of view. Draw the map according to government policy and let his bosses take the flak or draw the current truth and end up spending the rest of their career in the Chinese equivalent of the archives at Auchtermuchty.
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Actually I think most Chinese would draw the map like that - that's the problem - they've been told one version of events
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Old 1st Sep 2023, 11:11
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It's really so cheeky that Xi himself probably feels ashamed to attend the G20 summit in person.

Someone was playing with my computer last night and redrew the dotted line as it should be on that map above.
Watch this space...
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Japan’s new AEGIS BMD cruisers to weigh 12,000T, carry a 128 VLS cell… and the first to be in service by 2027/2028…

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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
and many of those neighbours are feeding Chinas masses , seems a little short sighted to mess with your own rice bowl. At least the lines are on the inside of the SCS, at least for now... the 20 lilac line will extend out west of India and south of Indonesia as that would annoy their neighbours more. Bozo's..

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Newsweek has a tidbit: Russia Breaks Silence Over China Map Claiming Its Territory
The Russian Foreign Ministry has rejected China's apparent claim of ownership over a disputed island that has been a source of tension between Moscow and Beijing for decades.
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Old 1st Sep 2023, 15:46
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Time for everyone to come out and reject China's hegemonic bit claims.
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