'Falklands' Most Daring Raid'
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orca, I am not certain but I suspect the main force was silent with only picket ships radiating. You will recall the 42/22 combo with the destroyers doing the long range search and medium range missile cover with Sea Dart and the 22s covering them as short range with the Sea Wolf.
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Only during the day may 1st British ships approach , from then on at night .- It usualy happen during the day when they were atacking Remmeber those old black and white Tv , when you move the antena and the screen came on all white full of black dots ? that is what it look like .- Another one was that an angle of about 30 derees came all black and it was coming from the direccion of the air atack .- I used to work a lot with the primary on normal not using MTI because that way you can catch someone flying low very low , same with the ships when they approach , if you go on Normal video you can clearly see when the helicopters takes off .- You can see when the splash of the 155 round hits the water .-
Correction : You can see the spalsh that the 155mm does when it hits the water .-
Only during the day may 1st British ships approach , from then on at night .- It usualy happen during the day when they were atacking Remmeber those old black and white Tv , when you move the antena and the screen came on all white full of black dots ? that is what it look like .- Another one was that an angle of about 30 derees came all black and it was coming from the direccion of the air atack .- I used to work a lot with the primary on normal not using MTI because that way you can catch someone flying low very low , same with the ships when they approach , if you go on Normal video you can clearly see when the helicopters takes off .- You can see when the splash of the 155 round hits the water .-
Correction : You can see the spalsh that the 155mm does when it hits the water .-
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PN,
Interesting. Woodward mentions the EMCON state as the TF pressed south and I think you are right about the main group. I was thinking that anything coming onto the gun line off Stanley would have to be radiating - not much point trying to hide once you've started the NGS I would have thought!
Any Uk operators know what the EMCOn state was on the gun line?
Interesting. Woodward mentions the EMCON state as the TF pressed south and I think you are right about the main group. I was thinking that anything coming onto the gun line off Stanley would have to be radiating - not much point trying to hide once you've started the NGS I would have thought!
Any Uk operators know what the EMCOn state was on the gun line?
Not sure if it has already been mentioned, re EMCON. As I recall, most of the TF was silent whilst the picket ships were deliberately overt, transmitting on HF, VHF, etc, and shining radar. Indeed, that was the EMCON status when Sheffield was hit.
Martin Withers and his crew were naturally given centre stage, but it was good to see Bob Tuxford and his crew featured as well.
Some of the period detail was done very well - uniforms, behaviour and even haircuts were very accurate. Minor points, but which added to the overall quality.
It would have been good to have invited some Argentinian and island veterans to take part in the documentary, but probably beyond the available budget. Perhaps one day, once politicians stop bickering, a joint Anglo-Argentine production covering the raid from both perspectives might be possible?
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A further question, PN.
Was Black Buck 2 an attempt to cut the runway, as per Black Buck 1, or was it an attempt to crater the area where the runway would have been extended?
I was thinking that there might have been intelligence to indicate a planned runway extension that resulted in BB2 deliberately attacking that area?
Reydelcastillo,
Did you witness the arrestor gear as highlighted in the following post?
Arrestor Gear claim from Wiki Link
Was Black Buck 2 an attempt to cut the runway, as per Black Buck 1, or was it an attempt to crater the area where the runway would have been extended?
I was thinking that there might have been intelligence to indicate a planned runway extension that resulted in BB2 deliberately attacking that area?
Reydelcastillo,
Did you witness the arrestor gear as highlighted in the following post?
Arrestor Gear claim from Wiki Link
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TEEEJ This is the first time I hear about arretos gear , probably Cosmicomet/Marcantilan know more about it .- I do remmeber the aluminum landing things that were originally design to build a runway in Antartida .- I saw them when loading Ship "Cordoba" with our stuff , but the ship hit the Port when trying to make it to POrt so we had to unload everything and ship the Triple AAA material by C 130 - Later on the Aluminum things for the runway show up at the airport but were used to stretch the area were airplanes park to unload their cargo , and many more just went to be used to reinforce protection Fox Holes .-I have heard in Argentinian forums that the decision not to extend the runway was based in the fact that most of the supplie material/personel and maintenance for the Airplanes would have to be moved to the island .- I'm sure someone can bring us more info on this .-
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Crikey, sharky has a real problem doesn't he! It's a bit sad really.
I remember reading somewhere that he broke radio silence in his shar to say hello to bb1 - was this true? I think it was in his book, not 607.
Good programme - you can always pick holes in the op impact, but the whatever the debates on that subject, you have to agree it was fundamentally a very impressive operation and show of force.
I remember reading somewhere that he broke radio silence in his shar to say hello to bb1 - was this true? I think it was in his book, not 607.
Good programme - you can always pick holes in the op impact, but the whatever the debates on that subject, you have to agree it was fundamentally a very impressive operation and show of force.
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La Guerra de Malvinas: Post Merecido [Parte 10] - Taringa! I don't know how to bring the photos , but go here , scroll down and see the pictures of BB 1 plus the first air atack of Sea Harriers seen from the receiving side .-
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Some very interesting photos in that link.
Have never seen many "from the other side".
Thanks for posting.
Are either of you in the photos with the Radars ?
Have never seen many "from the other side".
Thanks for posting.
Are either of you in the photos with the Radars ?
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No 500 N , there you se some of the Skyguards , and the Roland only .- The Radars are not there yet .- Further on as we advance towards the rest of BB missions we will post the efects and details of when Tenent Dachari ( from my Unit ) was hit by the Shrike in his Skyguard .-
once on that link you can also go to part # 11 an see the size of the holes left by BB 1 - Keep on going to rest of part # , I haven't been to all of them but I presume you haven't either .- So take a look .-
once on that link you can also go to part # 11 an see the size of the holes left by BB 1 - Keep on going to rest of part # , I haven't been to all of them but I presume you haven't either .- So take a look .-
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I remember reading somewhere that he broke radio silence in his shar to say hello to bb1 - was this true? I think it was in his book, not 607.
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Mainjafad, I passed through Locking in '85 whereabouts was the system? - I recall our '3D' being up near the hangars, but not the former Argentinian unit.
Back on thread. Good program that would have been accessible to everyone at it's narration level. - It really was daring.
Wonder how we worked things better for subsequent raids?
Back on thread. Good program that would have been accessible to everyone at it's narration level. - It really was daring.
Wonder how we worked things better for subsequent raids?
As regards the later Black Bucks, they rejigged the fuel transfer plan with the knowledge of what the fuel burn of the Vulcan actually was, and were able to shift a lot more fuel down south. Even then, strong headwinds on one mission and a Hose Drum Failure on one of the Victors on another resulted in the mission being aborted. The Anti Radar Black Bucks were flown with bomb bay fuel tanks fitted to the Vulcan and the Shrike ARM's fitted to the plyons under the wings. The first succesful mission carried 2 Shrikes tuned to home on the Westinghouse AN/TPS-43F and both were fired with one missile missing the Radar's scanner by only 10 meters, though the warhead fragments did damage some waveguide which put the radar out of commission until spares could be flown out from Argentina. The second successful mission carried 4 missiles, 2 tuned to go for the 43F and the other 2 set up to go for Skyguard. When the Vulcan got down there, the 43F crew guessed what was happening and refused to transmit long enough for the Vulcan crew to lock the missiles on. However the Vulcan crew did manage to gload a Skyguard into locking on to them and it ate a Shrike for its trouble, killing 4 of the radar's crew. The Vulcan now, getting low on fuel then headed up to its tanker RV point, where the refuelling probe broke and the Vuclan had to make an emergency diversion to Brazil (just to make life really interesting the only way they could dump the two remaining Shrikes on the wings were by firing them, and one misfired!).
As regards why Shrike was used instead of the AR Martel, I was at Newton in 1986 at the Missile Training Flight there when the last Martel course was going through and I asked some of the guys on the course why didn't the Vulcan use Martel. Answer I got was the carriage life of a live missile wasn't long enough to get the weapon from ASI to the Falklands with a 100% chance of it actually working when it was fired and if it wasn't fired, by the time the aircraft had got back to ASI the missile would have to be removed and shipped back to Marham to be serviced.
orca, I am not certain but I suspect the main force was silent with only picket ships radiating
I remember the TV reports from the TF having rhythmical interference, every 5-10 seconds, which I always assumed was from a rotating antenna.
I videoed at the Farnborough Air Show and was bothered by interference of a persistent beep-beep on the sound track. Examining the footage when aircraft were taking-off for example, it was quite clear that the rotating (Decca?) radar antenna seen in the background was the source of the interference, each beep coincided with the sweep of the antenna as it rotated and beamed in my direction.
A right pain which spoilt an otherwise good video.