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Will Puma Survive?

Old 15th Jan 2012, 22:26
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Maroon man I would agree however the history with Joint force harrier needs to be taken into account.
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Old 15th Jan 2012, 22:57
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The JFM concept will be intersting when you consider the rearcrew implications for several reasons:

1. Currently, CHF only operate with one cmn, so will need a reasonable uplift in manning.

2. Rank/Pay/Trg differences between WSOp and RM(Cmn) for the same job.

This is not insurmountable, but will be interesting to see what becomes the accepted..........
There is also a standardisation issue. What does "descending" mean again?

As you say though, not insurmountable, but certainly another opportunity for willy-waving.
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Old 16th Jan 2012, 09:29
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As to the future maybe the NH90 TTH should be looked at as the long term replacement for puma and the armed forces should be allowed to "Save" for this longer term plan! (Just like you and I would to buy a new car)

When is the Air sea rescue service being civilianised?
Could Puma HC1 stay in service till this date? and is there enough life left in the HAR3 fleet to allow them to serve as a stop gap transport helecopter for the RAF? some work would be needed and there is some Jobs for British workers.
What a load of sh1te! Or is this the draft script for Peter Kay's new tour?
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Old 17th Jan 2012, 18:33
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Unless I missed it but with there being no mention of RAF pilots or WSOp Crewman in today's redundancy fields I wonder if this might lead to some good news on the Puma and Merlin front, fingers crossed for all involved
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Old 17th Jan 2012, 18:58
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There won't be aircrew redundancies in the light blue rotary due to the need to service AFG and Kenya. 2015 SDSR will be brutal if not enough exit at option points though.

I don't think it has any bearing on the survival of Puma and the decision that has been taken to send Merlin to the RN.
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Old 17th Jan 2012, 22:54
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NH90? Do be brief. Let's not go there. Why do you think Sweden ordered 15 Blackhawks?

Sar cabs as transport. Ooooo-kayyy...Are we done with the crazy talk?
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Old 2nd Feb 2012, 20:40
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Anyone hear anything today? Apparently there was an announcement.
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Old 2nd Feb 2012, 20:54
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Puma 2 safe. We think it's 2 sqns and probably 24 ac.
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Old 2nd Feb 2012, 21:24
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Puma 2 safe. We think it's 2 sqns and probably 24 ac.
OUTSTANDING NEWS
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Old 2nd Feb 2012, 21:25
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Numbers to be confirmed but the news is most definitely good.
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Old 2nd Feb 2012, 21:41
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MG is correct, large sigh of relief.
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Old 2nd Feb 2012, 22:44
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Now the arguments just need to be gone through over numbers of crews and how many hours they are funded for.

If we're not careful, you can just see the Daily Mail headlines about MOD buying aircraft they can't afford to fly.
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Old 2nd Feb 2012, 22:54
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
Unless I missed it but with there being no mention of RAF pilots or WSOp Crewman in today's redundancy fields I wonder if this might lead to some good news on the Puma and Merlin front, fingers crossed for all involved
Puma decision is superb news now lets hope the Merlin decision turns out to just as good
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Old 2nd Feb 2012, 23:12
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Good news about Puma indeed, if it's as capable as briefed the lads on the ground will benefit. I'm interested in Seldom's ideal outcome for Merlin though? Maybe you can elaborate?
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 10:21
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The most capable ‘mid range’ helicopter in the HM forces inventory, Mk1 and Mk2, crewed by 1st rate aviators......... Was there ever any doubt?

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Re seldom and the Merlin comment. Perhaps the point is that ALL flying assets should be on one slop chit, owned by the RAF.
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 11:26
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ALL flying assets should be on one slop chit, owned by the RAF.
On the Slop chit yes good idea - but budgeted and flown by them - no!
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 15:55
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Perhaps the point is that ALL flying assets should be on one slop chit, owned by the RAF.
Coming to sea with me for 9 or 10 months then?
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 16:21
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Coming to sea with me for 9 or 10 months then?
Cheeky, I'd need to see a photo before I commit

Your predilections aside; I’ve not seen any convincing argument that a single service helicopter force, within a dedicated flying service, couldn’t take on any of the individual service roles as they stand.
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 17:06
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All I've seen is an Airforce with a personnel restriction that stops them operating with the RN. I couldn't care less the colour of the uniform in the cab, but you'll a) do what I tell you and b) you'll remain deck-current and then deploy with me.
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 17:58
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So if the restrictions are modified/removed........ we are on the same song/shanty sheet!

but you'll a) do what I tell you.
Those predilections again big boy!
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