Will Puma Survive?
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The JFM concept will be intersting when you consider the rearcrew implications for several reasons:
1. Currently, CHF only operate with one cmn, so will need a reasonable uplift in manning.
2. Rank/Pay/Trg differences between WSOp and RM(Cmn) for the same job.
This is not insurmountable, but will be interesting to see what becomes the accepted..........
1. Currently, CHF only operate with one cmn, so will need a reasonable uplift in manning.
2. Rank/Pay/Trg differences between WSOp and RM(Cmn) for the same job.
This is not insurmountable, but will be interesting to see what becomes the accepted..........
As you say though, not insurmountable, but certainly another opportunity for willy-waving.
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From: Mos Eisley
As to the future maybe the NH90 TTH should be looked at as the long term replacement for puma and the armed forces should be allowed to "Save" for this longer term plan! (Just like you and I would to buy a new car)
When is the Air sea rescue service being civilianised?
Could Puma HC1 stay in service till this date? and is there enough life left in the HAR3 fleet to allow them to serve as a stop gap transport helecopter for the RAF? some work would be needed and there is some Jobs for British workers.
When is the Air sea rescue service being civilianised?
Could Puma HC1 stay in service till this date? and is there enough life left in the HAR3 fleet to allow them to serve as a stop gap transport helecopter for the RAF? some work would be needed and there is some Jobs for British workers.
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From: Oxon
Unless I missed it but with there being no mention of RAF pilots or WSOp Crewman in today's redundancy fields I wonder if this might lead to some good news on the Puma and Merlin front, fingers crossed for all involved 
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From: at home
There won't be aircrew redundancies in the light blue rotary due to the need to service AFG and Kenya. 2015 SDSR will be brutal if not enough exit at option points though.
I don't think it has any bearing on the survival of Puma and the decision that has been taken to send Merlin to the RN.
I don't think it has any bearing on the survival of Puma and the decision that has been taken to send Merlin to the RN.
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From: Darling - where are we?
Now the arguments just need to be gone through over numbers of crews and how many hours they are funded for.
If we're not careful, you can just see the Daily Mail headlines about MOD buying aircraft they can't afford to fly.
If we're not careful, you can just see the Daily Mail headlines about MOD buying aircraft they can't afford to fly.
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From: Oxon
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From: England
The most capable ‘mid range’ helicopter in the HM forces inventory, Mk1 and Mk2, crewed by 1st rate aviators......... Was there ever any doubt?
Running.
Re seldom and the Merlin comment. Perhaps the point is that ALL flying assets should be on one slop chit, owned by the RAF.
Running.
Re seldom and the Merlin comment. Perhaps the point is that ALL flying assets should be on one slop chit, owned by the RAF.
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From: England
Alfred
Cheeky
, I'd need to see a photo before I commit
Your predilections aside; I’ve not seen any convincing argument that a single service helicopter force, within a dedicated flying service, couldn’t take on any of the individual service roles as they stand.
Coming to sea with me for 9 or 10 months then?
, I'd need to see a photo before I commitYour predilections aside; I’ve not seen any convincing argument that a single service helicopter force, within a dedicated flying service, couldn’t take on any of the individual service roles as they stand.
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From: where-ever nav's chooses....
All I've seen is an Airforce with a personnel restriction that stops them operating with the RN. I couldn't care less the colour of the uniform in the cab, but you'll a) do what I tell you and b) you'll remain deck-current and then deploy with me.