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Will Puma Survive?

Old 9th Apr 2012, 15:31
  #321 (permalink)  
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MaroonMan4 - Completely agree. Until we are told otherwise, in an official manner, then the transition is happening. As far as I'm aware, the first of the RN arrives in 2 weeks time. Grasping on to some very thin straws is pointless, utterly counterproductive and damaging.

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Old 9th Apr 2012, 15:53
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When we're you last in Afghan and round the table at BSN?

Let's go back to the Gutersloh days-did we ever work as closely with the AAC as we do now? We're we more integrated and joined up?

Although I have an ingrained hatred of living and flying from the morale vacuum of Ocean, I do recognise professionalism of CHF and the integration of both us and now Apache.

Although I would love all single Service politics to be removed by Air Command doing what it says in the name and commanding everything in the air, I am a realist that UK Defence and the UK economy is in a very different place than those nirvana days of the 80s.

But we weren't really fighting then, we didn't need the AAC to practice and operate with us to get rounds danger close to us finals to a PB etc. We didn't need the RN to integrate us onto their boats. From the customers perspective in the big scheme (i.e. no one was killed because of it)it didn't really matter if we dropped troops the wrong side of the boarder in NI (just embarrassment).

Now it does matter. JHC has brought integration and whether we like it or not it has focused us on the customer, which was lacking prior to JHC IMHO.

However, if Chopabeefer info is right then there is hope that we can take all the good elements of JHC and place all air capabilities under Air Command.

I thought that this was more of an SDSR 15 potential plan rather than PR12 option.

Like everyone else I await the outcome of PR12.
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Old 9th Apr 2012, 20:03
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All fair comment. although my opinion is that at BSN it is more down to professional aircrew (& GC) focused on a common objective to fully support the guys on the ground whilst staying alive themselves then a cohesion imposed/enforced by a HQ in Andover. In N.I. pre-Afg when the AAC, CHF & RAF were required to work together, they did. All other times it was a banter rich zone but that did not mean that mutual respect was absent. Many a time a blue guardian angel watched over the real workers after dark. JHC was a good idea but it is also based upon unrealistic idealism; and a cynic would say a back door attempt to get SH into a brown uniform without a mass exodus. In that aspect it is an ongoing failure and SDSR has been more divisive then any other event in recent military history. Jointery only works when individual identity is retained and respected and this is a big failing in JHC units.
Not that this has anything to do with the survival of Puma.
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Old 9th Apr 2012, 20:13
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How many Puma II are online now?

Not banter-bait, asking because I do not know.
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Old 9th Apr 2012, 20:28
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Surely AAC, CHF/RN and RAF SH assets working together to stay alive and get the job done for the guys on the ground is the essence of the aim of JHC?!!!
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Old 10th Apr 2012, 16:55
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Imaginary friend? Denigrating somebody you don't know. You are a bully, clearly. The very lowest excuse for a human. Your insult is obviously the desperate rambling of a lost soul without purpose. If you were not a bully, I would pity you.
As for your thread idea - do i- I'm in. It's staying where it is.

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Old 9th May 2012, 09:16
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You'll get the keys when you pass the OCF.

Good luck with that.
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Old 9th May 2012, 17:16
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Would that literally be "chopping for job security"??
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Old 26th Oct 2012, 11:56
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North Sea 225 ditching

Out of interest do the UK mil puma 1 or 2 have the same gearbox that has now led to the grounding of much of the civvy super puma fleet?
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Old 26th Oct 2012, 16:31
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Depends on the hours. As far as I know the fleet leader among the RAF Pumas is about 12,500 hrs. I think the gearbox is lifed at 3,200 hrs which would mean that the last gearbox change was ten years ago which was way before this dodgy shaft came into existance.

IIRC the oil pump is mounted on the back of the gearbox with the hydraulics and alternators so it does not have the same oil pump system as the 332 and 225.

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Old 31st Oct 2012, 08:12
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So when do both Sqns stop flying Puma1?
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Old 31st Oct 2012, 10:05
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31st December 2012.
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Old 31st Oct 2012, 11:45
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Originally Posted by Spanish Waltzer
Out of interest do the UK mil puma 1 or 2 have the same gearbox that has now led to the grounding of much of the civvy super puma fleet?
No, different box (/shaft). Same for the KAI Surion.

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