RAF to support Met Police operations?
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""Water cannon - we dont have water cannon""
The RAF used too - Part of the Fire Section's duty in the 1960/70's was to train on riot control using the DP1 & DP2 fire trucks fitted with mesh screens and large roof mounted nozzle instead of the foam monitor
Wonder if there are still any around????????????
And was this what the minister meant...............
The RAF used too - Part of the Fire Section's duty in the 1960/70's was to train on riot control using the DP1 & DP2 fire trucks fitted with mesh screens and large roof mounted nozzle instead of the foam monitor
Wonder if there are still any around????????????
And was this what the minister meant...............
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BC they were talking about bringing them in from NI. And don't anyone talk about training - they just go and blast them 
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GR4s did help out with Moat, assisting Northumberland Constabulary search for him with LITENING IIIRD and RAPTOR pods.
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"""Water cannon - we dont have water cannon"""
Five heading up the M6 through lancashire a few weeks ago when Nothern Ireland started getting hot again
One in Police livery, four in camouflage. Looked like armoured cab-forward landies on steroids
Five heading up the M6 through lancashire a few weeks ago when Nothern Ireland started getting hot again
One in Police livery, four in camouflage. Looked like armoured cab-forward landies on steroids
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Which Police Officer is going to have the balls to pull the trigger on the water cannon and hit some 'innocent' bystander with who it is subsequently discovered has learning difficulties and dies? The Officer will be risking a manslaughter charge.
The politicians and criminal justice system in UK have caused this problem and it will need someone with balls to fix it. There aren't any.
The politicians and criminal justice system in UK have caused this problem and it will need someone with balls to fix it. There aren't any.
I cannot understand the reluctance to use water cannon, rubber bullets and tear gas. Sure, there may be serious injuries or even the odd death but it is their choice to be there on the streets.
It might take a few 'casualties' to make the rest of the ferral scum think twice about doing it again but that's something that's worth a go as far as I'm concerned.
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A policeman's point of view.....
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Interesting to read some of the comments that have been left by other officers too.
Interesting to read some of the comments that have been left by other officers too.
Water cannon, tear gas and baton rounds present two problems, well three really. One; they are totally indiscriminate, what happened last night happened in the heart of communities, there were all sorts of people around who were totally innocent and the riot/looters were appearing and disappearing like a flash. You start loosing off baton rounds and tear gas into that situation and you are just making everything worse and injuring, or worse, a lot of innocent people. Please don't tell me "they shouldn't have been there," where the hell do you go when your house is on fire? You have to get out and get out quick, as soon as you are out you are right in the middle of it. I also saw some lovely gestures of real kindness and support, locals making tea and coffee for the police, people pointing out ring leaders, groups of people guarding their own property etc. If you are firing baton rounds and tear gas around all that stops.
Two; escalation. You start popping off baton rounds in some of the places that were aflame last night and you are going to get people shooting back. Horrendous as last night was at least , so far, we have had no one killed.
Some of the rootin shootin mob on here would have turned last night into a massacre.
Third; it doesn't really work. Look at the French, they have water cannon, baton rounds and tear gas in Paris and the suburbs and it stopped none of it.
Two; escalation. You start popping off baton rounds in some of the places that were aflame last night and you are going to get people shooting back. Horrendous as last night was at least , so far, we have had no one killed.
Some of the rootin shootin mob on here would have turned last night into a massacre.
Third; it doesn't really work. Look at the French, they have water cannon, baton rounds and tear gas in Paris and the suburbs and it stopped none of it.
Two; escalation. You start popping off baton rounds in some of the places that were aflame last night and you are going to get people shooting back. Horrendous as last night was at least , so far, we have had no one killed.
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"they shouldn't have been there,"
Mentioning the blitz, I see that the Germans are warning their citizens to stay away from the UK Germany warns citizens about UK riots - The Local
I am too young to remember but did they do this in 1940?
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I think the RAF's contribution should be a few fully armed Apaches
OK not Royal Air Force but maybe a certain HRH would like to take part. After all they could be torching his Grandmother's little pad in central London next. 
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French Student riots are Tradition - what happened in UK last night was the result of semi-feral lawless Yobs being given free reign because those in command of the response are hampered by "Human rights Legislation" and "Health and Safety Legislation".
French Student riots are Tradition - what happened in UK last night was the result of semi-feral lawless Yobs being given free reign because those in command of the response are hampered by "Human rights Legislation" and "Health and Safety Legislation".
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Couldn't we nudge a few RAF Police from their slumbers, swear them in as Special Constables and send them down to London to help out with the traffic?
P.S. I know of somewhere that has about thirty helicopters already painted up in that yellow and black Police scheme.
P.S. I know of somewhere that has about thirty helicopters already painted up in that yellow and black Police scheme.
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Water cannon, tear gas and baton rounds present two problems, well three really. One; they are totally indiscriminate, what happened last night happened in the heart of communities, there were all sorts of people around who were totally innocent and the riot/looters were appearing and disappearing like a flash. You start loosing off baton rounds and tear gas into that situation and you are just making everything worse and injuring, or worse, a lot of innocent people. Please don't tell me "they shouldn't have been there," where the hell do you go when your house is on fire? You have to get out and get out quick, as soon as you are out you are right in the middle of it. I also saw some lovely gestures of real kindness and support, locals making tea and coffee for the police, people pointing out ring leaders, groups of people guarding their own property etc. If you are firing baton rounds and tear gas around all that stops.
Two; escalation. You start popping off baton rounds in some of the places that were aflame last night and you are going to get people shooting back. Horrendous as last night was at least , so far, we have had no one killed.
Some of the rootin shootin mob on here would have turned last night into a massacre.
Third; it doesn't really work. Look at the French, they have water cannon, baton rounds and tear gas in Paris and the suburbs and it stopped none of it.
Two; escalation. You start popping off baton rounds in some of the places that were aflame last night and you are going to get people shooting back. Horrendous as last night was at least , so far, we have had no one killed.
Some of the rootin shootin mob on here would have turned last night into a massacre.
Third; it doesn't really work. Look at the French, they have water cannon, baton rounds and tear gas in Paris and the suburbs and it stopped none of it.
As Mr Machiavelli put it, "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared".
A shining example would be the nuclear escalation of WW2. The Japanese lost the stomach for it.
Tianenmen Square, for all its unpleasantness, wasn't repeated.
I don't see why people are so limp wristed as to permit, through inaction, this kind of behaviour on the streets of the UK.
I know the law and courts would make a complete dog's dinner of the aftermath. That's another thing that needs resolving. But crush the riots first.
Bring Blue Thunder to life from the media Project T:H
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Tactical Helicopter Offensive Response, the "proposed use of military helicopters to quell disorder")
Project T:H:R Tactical Helicopter Offensive Response, the "proposed use of military helicopters to quell disorder")
cazatou,
Oh please, read some history for Christ sake! Rioting and disorder is as traditional in London as it is anywhere and has been going on for hundreds if not thousands of years. If you don't believe me try googling "The London Mob:Violence and Disorder in 18th Century London" by Robert Shoemaker. Or try the 1913 Trafalgar Square riot, or the 1768 'massacre of St.Georges Fields, oddly enough that was about the detention of a known radical causing a riot in Lambeth and 7 were killed. Then there were the 1958 Notting Hill riots, and the 1932 riots following the National hunger March.
It's oh so easy to see this as the end of days, when in fact it is just something that has always happened.
Oh please, read some history for Christ sake! Rioting and disorder is as traditional in London as it is anywhere and has been going on for hundreds if not thousands of years. If you don't believe me try googling "The London Mob:Violence and Disorder in 18th Century London" by Robert Shoemaker. Or try the 1913 Trafalgar Square riot, or the 1768 'massacre of St.Georges Fields, oddly enough that was about the detention of a known radical causing a riot in Lambeth and 7 were killed. Then there were the 1958 Notting Hill riots, and the 1932 riots following the National hunger March.
It's oh so easy to see this as the end of days, when in fact it is just something that has always happened.