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Thank you for your remarks.
As a KOS Resident in France may I point out that Reserve Liability ceases if one becomes Resident Overseas - unless they have changed the Rules in the last few years.
Thank you for your remarks.
As a KOS Resident in France may I point out that Reserve Liability ceases if one becomes Resident Overseas - unless they have changed the Rules in the last few years.
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5 Forward 6 Back, assuming that the moaners don't object, I'll post whatever I find out from ba in 6 weeks time.
Actually, I'll post it anyway. As far as I'm concerned, if it helps you then it'll get posted on this site.
Pulling the B&Y at 34 will always incur some risk. When we first mooted the current military exemptions, we reckoned that 10 years should easily gain 2000hrs flying, with perhaps 2 front line tours and a QFI tour. 1500 hrs PIC (500 as PICU/S) was also easily attainable by 34, unless you were a thruster seeking high position - in which case you wouldn't have been interested anyway. So a new career at 34 looked pretty good - or hang on for the 38/16 year IPP as it was then, providing both a recruiting and retention incentive.
However, despite Bliar's wars, many may now struggle to reach the LASORS D3.3 point by 34; also the CAA has said that not all current LASORS D3.3 accreditation will continue. Hence the 'jump while you can' attitude we now see; equally others will have grown sick of groundhog days in the sand and will wish to leave for other reasons. I was amazed to learn recently that many ME pilots now have no experience in oceanic airspace - unbelievable! Even worse, many will only ever have landed at Brize, Akrotiri or in the north-west frontier theatre of operations. How will that retain peoples' enthusiasm?
Actually, I'll post it anyway. As far as I'm concerned, if it helps you then it'll get posted on this site.
Pulling the B&Y at 34 will always incur some risk. When we first mooted the current military exemptions, we reckoned that 10 years should easily gain 2000hrs flying, with perhaps 2 front line tours and a QFI tour. 1500 hrs PIC (500 as PICU/S) was also easily attainable by 34, unless you were a thruster seeking high position - in which case you wouldn't have been interested anyway. So a new career at 34 looked pretty good - or hang on for the 38/16 year IPP as it was then, providing both a recruiting and retention incentive.
However, despite Bliar's wars, many may now struggle to reach the LASORS D3.3 point by 34; also the CAA has said that not all current LASORS D3.3 accreditation will continue. Hence the 'jump while you can' attitude we now see; equally others will have grown sick of groundhog days in the sand and will wish to leave for other reasons. I was amazed to learn recently that many ME pilots now have no experience in oceanic airspace - unbelievable! Even worse, many will only ever have landed at Brize, Akrotiri or in the north-west frontier theatre of operations. How will that retain peoples' enthusiasm?
Beagle, I'd appreciate that. I'm a little short of those hours, but as I mentioned, there's a light at the end of the tunnel with the fact that my fleet doesn't tend to offer back-to-back front line tours to pilots, so I'm unlikely to have to spend another 3 years away constantly.
It's still a tricky decision, as the possible amount of time away from a growing young family is the main "push" factor for me. I can let a lot of the other bull**** flow over me without elevating my blood pressure, so if I'm lucky with where the poster points me next I think I could see out my time.
It's still a tricky decision, as the possible amount of time away from a growing young family is the main "push" factor for me. I can let a lot of the other bull**** flow over me without elevating my blood pressure, so if I'm lucky with where the poster points me next I think I could see out my time.
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I note it is only 58 days since you joined PPRuNe - during which time you have made 8 Posts.
You are currently apparently demanding that those who are no longer Serving should cease to post on the Military thread.
Could you please justify that viewpoint ?
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I note it is only 58 days since you joined PPRuNe - during which time you have made 8 Posts.
You are currently apparently demanding that those who are no longer Serving should cease to post on the Military thread.
Could you please justify that viewpoint ?
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As I have received over 20 posts on http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/4621...lar-forum.html, in just under 5 hours, supporting my point, I feel that I am qualified to post here.
The B Word:
Thank you.
How pathetically short-sighted and parochial these people are. They need to find out our experiences and get feedback?
I am sorry I can only blame the current lack of strategic managerial training in the Royal Air Force for their attitude. Goodness knows what they concentrate on at JSCSC as I believe it is these days.
Us 'oldies' as you refer to us as are pleased to help and advise. We have been there and done it. You guys have not which is why you are procrastinating. Some of us are not that old actually and have considerable experience and seniority both 'inside and outside'.
The B Word:
Surely the fact that this is a PVR thread invites "those that have" and "those that are" to advise "those that may" and "those that will" - sorry but that is going involve "those that have left" as well!
How pathetically short-sighted and parochial these people are. They need to find out our experiences and get feedback?
I am sorry I can only blame the current lack of strategic managerial training in the Royal Air Force for their attitude. Goodness knows what they concentrate on at JSCSC as I believe it is these days.
Us 'oldies' as you refer to us as are pleased to help and advise. We have been there and done it. You guys have not which is why you are procrastinating. Some of us are not that old actually and have considerable experience and seniority both 'inside and outside'.
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In your position I would stay in to secure a pension. BA might be entering a recruiting phase, but you could miss the employment boat if the powers that be delay your exit. The economy is in a perilous state and the airline industry is extremely vulnerable. It will only take the failure of one medium sized UK/EU airline to flood the UK market with experienced type rated pilots, reducing the employment prospects of newly released military pilots. When I PVR'ed in 1974, aged 37, there was also a deep recession and airlines were shedding pilots. If I had not had a Britannia type rating on my shiny new ALTP I would not have found a flying job in UK. It was luck and experience on type that secured the job. Six years later the airline went bust, fortunately I had already left and joined a start up airline at it's inception. Twelve years on this also failed, but age was against me this time and I was unemployed for nine months. My RAF pension helped tide me over until, with luck and experience on the right aircraft type, I was taken on by a European Airline until I retired. Today, there appears to be more job security, but terms and conditions have been badly eroded. I also think the current practice of airlines making money by selling type ratings and flying experience to desperate young pilots, then spitting them out, is unethical.
Again, best wishes and good luck to everyone who has decided to leave and to those who are still struggling with the most difficult decision of their lives.
PS. If SFFP wants to continue stirring he could let off steam on the Cabin Crew Forum.
In your position I would stay in to secure a pension. BA might be entering a recruiting phase, but you could miss the employment boat if the powers that be delay your exit. The economy is in a perilous state and the airline industry is extremely vulnerable. It will only take the failure of one medium sized UK/EU airline to flood the UK market with experienced type rated pilots, reducing the employment prospects of newly released military pilots. When I PVR'ed in 1974, aged 37, there was also a deep recession and airlines were shedding pilots. If I had not had a Britannia type rating on my shiny new ALTP I would not have found a flying job in UK. It was luck and experience on type that secured the job. Six years later the airline went bust, fortunately I had already left and joined a start up airline at it's inception. Twelve years on this also failed, but age was against me this time and I was unemployed for nine months. My RAF pension helped tide me over until, with luck and experience on the right aircraft type, I was taken on by a European Airline until I retired. Today, there appears to be more job security, but terms and conditions have been badly eroded. I also think the current practice of airlines making money by selling type ratings and flying experience to desperate young pilots, then spitting them out, is unethical.
Again, best wishes and good luck to everyone who has decided to leave and to those who are still struggling with the most difficult decision of their lives.
PS. If SFFP wants to continue stirring he could let off steam on the Cabin Crew Forum.
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I cannot support brakedwells avice too strongly
My route was different, I was much luckier
I flew the Viscount in the RAF and so left with an easy intro to British Midland where I stayed for 6 months and was then dumped for the winter
After 6 months on the JP at Shawbury I left because it was obvious the job was doomed and rejoined Midland on the Viscount
They expanded and I was in the left hand seat of a brand new 737 two years later. After a spell in management I was moved on at 60 because of the French airspace rule, Sir Michael and his lot were very good to me over the years with some rough patches
After leaving BMI I went to Eastern for the five years up to 65 and have recently retired for the third and probably last time
I was very lucky, things have changed a lot. Throughout those years the knowledge that I had a pension made it possible to take risks that would not have been wise
Best of luck mate, keep trying, be diligent, work with nice people, the best assett you can get is a good wife to see you through the tricky bits
I cannot support brakedwells avice too strongly
My route was different, I was much luckier
I flew the Viscount in the RAF and so left with an easy intro to British Midland where I stayed for 6 months and was then dumped for the winter
After 6 months on the JP at Shawbury I left because it was obvious the job was doomed and rejoined Midland on the Viscount
They expanded and I was in the left hand seat of a brand new 737 two years later. After a spell in management I was moved on at 60 because of the French airspace rule, Sir Michael and his lot were very good to me over the years with some rough patches
After leaving BMI I went to Eastern for the five years up to 65 and have recently retired for the third and probably last time
I was very lucky, things have changed a lot. Throughout those years the knowledge that I had a pension made it possible to take risks that would not have been wise
Best of luck mate, keep trying, be diligent, work with nice people, the best assett you can get is a good wife to see you through the tricky bits
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As another KOS, I'd definitely agree with brakedwell and Tinribs. I was in a similar position and literally a few weeks before my 34/12 "Dear Queen, I quit" decision date I was offered an exchange tour somewhere hot and sunny flying the latest all-electric wonder jet (not made by British Aerospace needless to say). Staying in another 4 years was therefore rendered painless - turned out to be the best decision I could've made. In the end, on leaving at 38 I decided not to pursue an airline career and now telecommute from a very nice part of rural France.
I've no idea how desperate you are to leave, but to chuck away a pension pot worth £300K in the expectation of jam tomorrow is one hell of a gamble - the airlines may stop recruiting or, heaven forbid, you may lose your medical cat etc. Annuity rates are garbage and may even get worse.
Wishing you the best of luck whichever way you decide to jump, but all I'd say is, look long and hard before you leap.
As another KOS, I'd definitely agree with brakedwell and Tinribs. I was in a similar position and literally a few weeks before my 34/12 "Dear Queen, I quit" decision date I was offered an exchange tour somewhere hot and sunny flying the latest all-electric wonder jet (not made by British Aerospace needless to say). Staying in another 4 years was therefore rendered painless - turned out to be the best decision I could've made. In the end, on leaving at 38 I decided not to pursue an airline career and now telecommute from a very nice part of rural France.
I've no idea how desperate you are to leave, but to chuck away a pension pot worth £300K in the expectation of jam tomorrow is one hell of a gamble - the airlines may stop recruiting or, heaven forbid, you may lose your medical cat etc. Annuity rates are garbage and may even get worse.
Wishing you the best of luck whichever way you decide to jump, but all I'd say is, look long and hard before you leap.
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So, this one time, on bandcamp, my crew went queer-bashing.
Be grateful for my funny stories and sage advice younguns.
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Be grateful for my funny stories and sage advice younguns.
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Not a uniform in sight, how very apt........sleep dry you two
Edited to add the use of the smileys denotes there is no personal attack intended, it's simply the use of military humour which one or two on here may be a bit out of touch with
Not a uniform in sight, how very apt........sleep dry you two
Edited to add the use of the smileys denotes there is no personal attack intended, it's simply the use of military humour which one or two on here may be a bit out of touch with
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As ever, Matt in the Telegraph hits the nail on the cranium!
Matt cartoons witty political cartoons and satirical sketches - Telegraph
Matt cartoons witty political cartoons and satirical sketches - Telegraph
Officers' Association - Pick of the Week
For all commissioned officers who are leaving (or intending to leave), make sure that you register with the Officers' Association. Their Pick of the Week Job List (latest issued yesterday 30 Aug) has an advertisment from Qatar Airways seeking pilots.
Hope this helps.
Hope this helps.
And here are their minimum requirements:
Flight Deck Crew Requirements | Qatar Airways
This can be helpful:
Pilot Jobs Network - for students of pilot schools and experienced airline pilots
Good luck to all
Flight Deck Crew Requirements | Qatar Airways
This can be helpful:
Pilot Jobs Network - for students of pilot schools and experienced airline pilots
Good luck to all
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Once again you have demonstrated your inability to distinguish between "Banter" and "Inanity".
PS. You have pride of place on my "Ignore" list.
Once again you have demonstrated your inability to distinguish between "Banter" and "Inanity".
PS. You have pride of place on my "Ignore" list.
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I am sure someone recently stated that "If you cant take a joke you shouldn't have joined" wise words eh
PS Forgot to ask before but I hope you enjoyed as much as oh so many of us did the recent outcome to the Mull travesty
