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Given the noise of the JSF, I can't see anyone except the desparate Scots accepting it in their back yards.
1 - F-35C is no louder than an F-18/GR4 and you assume that the norm will be for F-35C to conduct an afterburning take-off which it may not need to do for routine training. Don't assume to know these things when you don't (I refer you to the term Sciolist)
2 - Don't be so damned prejudiced! Your inference that Scots are desperate and more likely to 'put up' with environmental noise through desperation alone is bordering on racist.
Parkitup is wiser than you give him/her credit for.
Once the GR4 dies entirely, it wouldn't surprise me if Marham becomes the new de facto JCA base, now that Lossie's preserved by being a future Typhoon location.
It'll be interesting to see where they put it when the first OEU jets arrive.
It'll be interesting to see where they put it when the first OEU jets arrive.
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I think the IOC may well have been reassured by the promise of a ring of Rapier batteries set up around the East End.
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I thank you for your comments - they make some interesting assumptions about me and parkitup and some interesting points about yourself!
I was of course part of the decision-making process that decided on Lossie for JCA a few years ago - so the noise footprint issue was of great interest and was closely studied by all concerned. I presume that you are thinking of the potential for changes to that footprint now that the CTOL/STOVL decision has been made (finally....). Your reference to burner T/Os is interesting though since the key determinant for noise was always expected to be the circuit - especially for the STOVL type (which is now changed etc etc).
Desperate Scots (ggod spot on the spooling mitsake - must beat the typing pool harder!) seems to be pretty well backed up by their moaning over the past months about 56%, 72%, 2 out of 3 bases closing, it's not fair, wah wah wah, independence, Scottish AF, boo hoo, etc etc. Pointing out that desperate people are desperate is about as racist as pointing out that RN Harrier folks are sad!
As for parkitup - he means well and I like his style; long may he fly safe
I thank you for your comments - they make some interesting assumptions about me and parkitup and some interesting points about yourself!
I was of course part of the decision-making process that decided on Lossie for JCA a few years ago - so the noise footprint issue was of great interest and was closely studied by all concerned. I presume that you are thinking of the potential for changes to that footprint now that the CTOL/STOVL decision has been made (finally....). Your reference to burner T/Os is interesting though since the key determinant for noise was always expected to be the circuit - especially for the STOVL type (which is now changed etc etc).
Desperate Scots (ggod spot on the spooling mitsake - must beat the typing pool harder!) seems to be pretty well backed up by their moaning over the past months about 56%, 72%, 2 out of 3 bases closing, it's not fair, wah wah wah, independence, Scottish AF, boo hoo, etc etc. Pointing out that desperate people are desperate is about as racist as pointing out that RN Harrier folks are sad!
As for parkitup - he means well and I like his style; long may he fly safe
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Sadly not quite that simples - the gym is in the way, but it would be possible to find another way through the buildings. All depends on intent. I presume the RE unit that's been at Leu for ages will stay? Always a nice bunch during my time there.
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Railway runs right past the camp, just have to reopen the spur that used to run inside the wire. We've moved plenty of heavy stuff on rails before. Simples.
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Originally Posted by Squirrel 41
Sadly not quite that simples - the gym is in the way, but it would be possible to find another way through the buildings. All depends on intent. I presume the RE unit that's been at Leu for ages will stay? Always a nice bunch during my time there.
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Hmmmm
Rector16
Aha...so a middle to senior ranking professional then....?
Or perhaps not....???
Been to Elgin lately? I think you'll find that the driving force behind the 'Save Lossie'
campaign was the local business community...not unnaturally. As with all campaigns like this they gain followers as momentum builds.
Have a listen to the accents of the staff and proprietors in the vast majority of small and medium local businesses. Not many Scots accents there. Many of the local businesses are ex service folks over the past 35 years, many from south of the tartan tammy line who liked the local area and decided to settle there.
If you were to conduct a straw poll of the indigenous population you may find that the Scots to which you refer are not as desperate as you seem to think.
So in conclusion..... racist? No I don't think so....bigoted ? Just a tad methinks.
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I was of course part of the decision-making process that decided on Lossie for JCA a few years ago
Desperate Scots (ggod spot on the spooling mitsake - must beat the typing pool harder!) seems to be pretty well backed up by their moaning over the past months about 56%, 72%, 2 out of 3 bases closing, it's not fair, wah wah wah, independence, Scottish AF, boo hoo, etc etc.
Been to Elgin lately? I think you'll find that the driving force behind the 'Save Lossie'
campaign was the local business community...not unnaturally. As with all campaigns like this they gain followers as momentum builds.
Have a listen to the accents of the staff and proprietors in the vast majority of small and medium local businesses. Not many Scots accents there. Many of the local businesses are ex service folks over the past 35 years, many from south of the tartan tammy line who liked the local area and decided to settle there.
If you were to conduct a straw poll of the indigenous population you may find that the Scots to which you refer are not as desperate as you seem to think.
So in conclusion..... racist? No I don't think so....bigoted ? Just a tad methinks.
CT
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Railway runs right past the camp, just have to reopen the spur that used to run inside the wire. We've moved plenty of heavy stuff on rails before. Simples.
Sadly not quite that simples - the gym is in the way, but it would be possible to find another way through the buildings. All depends on intent. I presume the RE unit that's been at Leu for ages will stay? Always a nice bunch during my time there
Sadly not quite that simples - the gym is in the way, but it would be possible to find another way through the buildings. All depends on intent. I presume the RE unit that's been at Leu for ages will stay? Always a nice bunch during my time there
I'm sure the Territorials of 71 Eng Regt would be more than happy to remove the obstruction. How hard is it to drive a JCB?
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I was of course part of the decision-making process that decided on Lossie for JCA a few years ago
Originally Posted by Chicken Leg
Although the gym in a crab station won't be the busiest of buildings, I'm sure the future pongo's won't want the JCB to be let loose on it!
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In short - yes! Rather arrogant to think not really. Oh - and Brussels is in one of those European neighbour countries you refer to!!
Are you that confident in the capability of our European neighbours to totally guarantee that nothing of the sort could ever launch from their shores that we can leave southern England and our capital city devoid of the sort of protection that New York, Paris, Washington, Brussels, et al have available at just a few minutes notice?
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RAF - What RAF? Cottesmore early than anticipated re-use.
The king is dead.. long live the king!! Army welcomed with open, local arms (well, by the landlords at least!!)
Army to move into RAF Cottesmore in 2013 - Local - Rutland Times
That'll end in tears.. 
Army to move into RAF Cottesmore in 2013 - Local - Rutland Times
Spokesman Tony Walsh said the site may not be fully vacated by then, as the housing may still be in use.
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This e-petition is being launched at Leuchars today.
https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/8372/
https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/8372/
NutherA2,
Why?
Why?
