Shooting on Royal Navy Sub
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Originally Posted by lookingnorth
Yes, let's concentrate on nit picking about whether a boat that protects a boat carrying nukes is part of the deterrent or not rather than the real issue that an entire sub can be taken out of service by Dixon of Dock Green.
I have explained very politely that this submarine is NOT taken out of service, it is still in commission and to the best of my knowledge is still fully operational.
You have made a statement that this vessel has been taken out of service so please 'put up, or shut up!'
Please do not get me wrong, I am NOT being sarcastic, I am curious and need you to explain how the police could actually have this type of power! In my opinion you are just plain factually incorrect.My sympathies are with the families of all those that have been effected by this unique incident and hopefully a one off!
I would guess that certain areas of this submarine will have to be thoroughly examined as an 'ounce' of lead hurtling around the interior of this highly complex piece of electronic equipment may well cause damage.
She has also very, very sadly lost two heads of department and these will need replacing at the earliest convenience
This thread has nothing to do with aircraft but for the information of those that might not be aware... these boats when turning at speed will actually bank just like our flying friends and these lean angles can be impressive. An emergency surface will also possibly see the bows well out of the water
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these boats when turning at speed will actually bank just like our flying friends and these lean angles can be impressive. An emergency surface will also possibly see the bows well out of the water
Oh well carry on arguing over whether it was right for the Police to cordon off a crime scene or not.
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It's still got nothing to do with aircraft. Nor for that matter has that thread about barbecues.
Oh well carry on arguing over whether it was right for the Police to cordon off a crime scene or not.
Oh well carry on arguing over whether it was right for the Police to cordon off a crime scene or not.
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No doubt the ex or current coppers on this thread believe the police rule the world but some of us do believe things like defence should have priority!
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Originally Posted by lookingnorth
But, sir, but but... the rozzers have the boat and "have not released it to the MoD" as per the news story previously linked to. Seems to be firmly out of service to me if it's in the charge of the cops and that is what I find so astonishing.
I am very aware of the comments made by KF and hopefully I am not coming across as being argumentative?
The submarine has NOT been seized by the police, they have not taken possession of the boat and as long as the vessel is fit for sea, then she is free to go wherever and whenever she pleases. could you please post any link that corroborates your statement?
Certain areas of the boat are indeed a crime scene and I have no idea how many hours the police will need to carry out the detailed forensic investigation, but if the boat has to go to sea, then to sea it will go. If the investigation has not been completed then there will simply be a few extra folks onboard that will carry on with that task.
The same procedures would apply if this incident had occured inside an RAF aircraft.
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Oh FFS Look North Why don't you write to the Chief Constable concerned and complain if it is upsetting you that much. The Police in general have obviously upset you somehow and you just want to take any opportunity to bleat on like a little lamb to anybody who will listen.
You are getting really BORING now.
You are getting really BORING now.
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Just a minor point in this tragedy, would it not be better if steps were taken now to ensure the security element [at all service establishments] were undertaken by those who's career path is, er, "security" and not some press ganged cook or techie with [or without] a chip on their shoulder?
RIP etc.
GR.
RIP etc.
GR.
No doubt the ex or current coppers on this thread believe the police rule the world but some of us do believe things like defence should have priority!
Is the UK at a state of war requiring any and all vessels to be at sea to ensure the UK's safety? No.
Is the Astute even fully operational? No.
So, even if it were true that the sub had been temporarily removed from service while police investigations took place, what exactly are 'we' losing, other than more time to conduct trials?
No doubt the ex or current coppers on this thread believe the police rule the world but some of us do believe things like defence should have priority!
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Surprised than any civilians other than - exceptionally - those required for dealing with technical issues are permitted aboard an HM Submarine, either operational or close to. It's not as if the civilians can be entertained on the quarterdeck.
those required for dealing with technical issues are permitted
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Hi Lookingnorth,
The submarine has NOT been seized by the police, they have not taken possession of the boat and as long as the vessel is fit for sea, then she is free to go wherever and whenever she pleases. could you please post any link that corroborates your statement?
The submarine has NOT been seized by the police, they have not taken possession of the boat and as long as the vessel is fit for sea, then she is free to go wherever and whenever she pleases. could you please post any link that corroborates your statement?
If the situation is as you describe then I am much happier - it just strikes me as insane to hand an entire vessel over the the police, which is what Hampshire Police appeared to be claiming was the case.
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Originally Posted by Mike
Surprised that a civilian party was permitted on the boat in the first place.
The vessel was on a goodwill visit to Southampton and as part of these visits the boat will be open to visitors. I have no idea of any restrictions that might be imposed when visiting a state of the art hunter killer submarine, but the visit will have been well planned and all the issues taken cared of.
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Just a minor point in this tragedy, would it not be better if steps were taken now to ensure the security element [at all service establishments] were undertaken by those who's career path is, er, "security" and not some press ganged cook or techie with [or without] a chip on their shoulder?
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This has not been the first drama with a live armed guard:
Sergeant kills himself at RAF base - Telegraph
Sergeant kills himself at RAF base - Telegraph
Digressing for a moment onto the incident at Kinloss, the helicopter didn't locate the body using heat-seeking equipment, it was a naked eye spot...which happened while the crew was en route from the police RV to the woods across the airfield, which had been deemed the best place to 'search' while trying to hide from a man with a gun...
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Nick Hawkins, chief Crown prosecutor for the Crown Prosecution Service in Wessex, said: "Having reviewed the evidence, I am satisfied that there is sufficient to charge [Mr Donovan] and that it is in the public interest to do so."
Stating the bleedin' obvious isn't it?
Can somebody explain why the police need so long to "investigate"?
A senior Officer was shot and killed, another was seriously injured. A further Officer and two SNCO's were threatened. The boat has only one exit / entrance and an AB was seen firing the fatal shots and was the only person on board "dressed to kill" and had a weapon which had been fired and the ammunition was clearly identifiable and matched to his weapon.
Why waste further time?