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SCAFITE 8th Apr 2011 14:23

Shooting on Royal Navy Sub
 
There has been a shooting on a Royal Navy Sub (HMS Astute the one that grounded on a sand bank)

One Dead and one other injured

Sad news for the Navy and the families of those Killed and Injured

link BBC News - One killed in HMS Astute nuclear submarine shooting

Heathrow Harry 8th Apr 2011 14:30

That ship is building up an unfortunate record

Tankertrashnav 8th Apr 2011 15:00

It's a boat, not a ship Harry, in point of fact, but you're right.

How long before the Green Party say the incident posed a radiation risk to the people of Southampton? :ugh:

c-bert 8th Apr 2011 15:53


How long before the Green Party say the incident posed a radiation risk to the people of Southampton?
How would anyone tell in Southampton? :E

cavortingcheetah 8th Apr 2011 16:05

You'll end up with a gunless navy once someone twigs that the deranged gunman could have had access to a school filled with children.

Agaricus bisporus 8th Apr 2011 17:37

But the entire quote was

It's a boat, not a ship Harry, in point of fact, but you're right.
, so "all you can worry about" was blatantly cherry-picking a part of the reply.

That's what I like about PPRuNe, idiots who can't even bother to read a single sentence all the way through, or who choose to only read part of it and then make self-righteous snotty replies based on that partial reading.

Do you have a problem with accuracy, RA?


Priceless.

AlanM 8th Apr 2011 17:42

Local news reporting an Able Seaman with the weapon, and the death of one officer and another officer seriously injured. They also said that the Lord Mayor and others were onboard and helped to disarm the gunman.

Sad news all round.

Clearedtoroll 8th Apr 2011 17:44

RIP to the dead sailor and condolences to his family and crew.

Well done to all involved in the disarming as well... That goes against natural instinct.

waveskimmer 8th Apr 2011 19:48

One is tempted to look back,grounding,rollockings administered, sour grapes,just a thought from an old matelot,and stoker to boot :suspect:

SRENNAPS 8th Apr 2011 20:40

Agaricus bisporus

I find your post far sadder than the post about whether it is a ship or a bloody boat.

Who cares what the lump of metal is called; somebody has died and somebody else is near to death. RA was just making a point….and to be honest I happen to agree with his point.

I just happen to know somebody that works with Astute, and trust me the atmosphere is not good.

My thoughts just go to all the families involved in this very tragic incident.

Romeo Oscar Golf 8th Apr 2011 20:58


I just happen to know somebody that works with Astute, and trust me the atmosphere is not good
So what is that supposed to mean?
This perhaps?

One is tempted to look back,grounding,rollockings administered, sour grapes
Deranged AB, or overbearing Officers, or both, or neither. We will never know.
My thoughts are with the families of the two Officers, and the family of the AB.

SRENNAPS 8th Apr 2011 21:07

Romeo Oscar Golf

The atmosphere is not good because of this incident.

Nothing to do with anything else. No conspiracy, no cover up, NOTHING!!!!!

Tankertrashnav 8th Apr 2011 21:24

Well apologies to all who were offended - in my defence all I can say is that my natural home is on Jet Blast where such comments generally go unremarked.

To carry on, though, I've just watched the 10 o'clock news where it seems that the gunman, who was still firing, was disarmed by a member of the visiting civic party. If events were as he described he is a very brave guy, so let's hope he will be rewarded for his courage in due course.

waveskimmer 8th Apr 2011 21:43

AH big society,not

glojo 8th Apr 2011 22:44

A terribly tragic incident but I do fully understand the very polite tongue in cheek remark regarding the 'ship' vs 'boat' comment.

It was tongue in cheek and all the author was possibly attempting to say was that the Royal Navy has always called a submarine a 'boat' and no submariner would want his boat to be called a ship :). (apologies for the smiley but I want folks to know I am trying to be tactful)

My thoughts are also with the relatives of all those effected by this tragic incident.

NutLoose 9th Apr 2011 03:00

Wessex FM - News - Council Leader Tackles Nuclear Sub Gunman


Mr Smith, 46, a former RAF engineer, said he wrestled the gunman to the ground and disarmed him. None of the civic party was hurt.
He said the man burst into the control room brandishing an SA80 assault rifle, then disappeared out of view and fired two shots.
Seconds later he reappeared and fired two more shots. One just missed Mr Smith who said it was then he decided to take action.
Mr Smith said the gunman, later identified as an Able Seaman, was wearing body armour and camouflage gear
He said afterwards: "I don't feel like a hero, I wish it hadn't happened. It's awful for the boys on the submarine. They will never forget the events of today
So sad and such a waste, those poor victims and their families, :(

Man shot dead on nuclear submarine HMS Astute and another fighting for life | Mail Online

Mike7777777 9th Apr 2011 06:17

Difficult to conceive of the circumstances that permitted this to happen, boat is heading towards a jinxed reputation.

glojo 9th Apr 2011 08:07


Originally Posted by Mike
Difficult to conceive of the circumstances that permitted this to happen, boat is heading towards a jinxed reputation.

Hi Mike,
It is indeed rare for a weapon to be discharged in this apparent manner but sadly attacks on officers, senior NCO's etc does happen. I have witnessed a leading cook attacking the first lieutenant of minesweeper with a carving knife. There were not any serious injuries, and no publicity. There was no way this latest incident could be hidden from the media.

Regarding your second point:

The Duchess of Cornwall launched this vessel...

Nuff said :E

sitigeltfel 9th Apr 2011 08:48

The councillor is ex RAF..


Royston’s background is rooted in aeronautical engineering; he spent 10 years in the Royal Air Force flying as ground engineer with the Nimrod maritime reconnaissance fleet before taking up a position with British Airways in 1990.
It has also been quoted that the shooter was confined to the boat, probably due to a disciplinary matter. Maybe not a good idea to arm someone who could be bearing a grudge?

MAINJAFAD 9th Apr 2011 14:54

Not the first time I've seen the navy make that kind of mistake (though the result was a lot more funny than tragic). There was an incident back in 1984 (which made the national press) when a seamen under close arrest awaiting a serious charge was used to make up the numbers on the naval equivalent of an AOC formal inspection parade at a major naval base. Needless to say the Matlot in question decided that if he was going down, he was going to do it in style. So when the Admiral got to him during the open order part of the parade, He punched the Admiral in the face.


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