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draken, I will point out that NFZ over Northern Iraq and Southern Iraq were long, drawn out operations. I expect that NFZ over Libya will be at least an extended op thanks to the nature of the beastie.
Question on the Norwegian Falcons/Vipers:
From wingtip station in to center line, munitions load out appears to be:
Air to Air (guessing something like Sidewinder)
Small Air to Ground
Medium Air to Ground (Looks a little like an LGB)
Aux Fuel Tank
Nothing on centerline.
Why no fins on the fuel tanks?
EDIT: Hmmm, I think I may see very small fins at 3 and 9 position, picture not crystal clear. NVM.
A few other comments.
Allude. 
Perhaps most of the rebels are crappy shots. One is left with the impression that the irregulars far outnumber those with military training among rebel ranks. An RPG doesn't aim itself.
From the article on our Maple Leafed Hornets expending ordnance:
That's a bit more than "a no fly zone" there, Admiral ...
That concern looks to be well founded.
Question on the Norwegian Falcons/Vipers:
From wingtip station in to center line, munitions load out appears to be:
Air to Air (guessing something like Sidewinder)
Small Air to Ground
Medium Air to Ground (Looks a little like an LGB)
Aux Fuel Tank
Nothing on centerline.
Why no fins on the fuel tanks?
EDIT: Hmmm, I think I may see very small fins at 3 and 9 position, picture not crystal clear. NVM.
A few other comments.
Originally Posted by TEEEJ
The PR release specifically mentions that and doesn't elude to anything but a limited weapons capacity. There are no plans at present to deploy Typhoon to Afghanistan or Iraq
Originally Posted by 27mm
I don't understand why the rebels aren't making short shrift of Gaddafi's armour in urban areas - they must be sitting ducks for RPGs.
From the article on our Maple Leafed Hornets expending ordnance:
U.S. Rear Adm. Gerard Hueber, one of the senior coalition commanders, was quoted Wednesday saying the coalition was targeting Gadhafi's tanks, artillery, mobile missile sites as well as ammunition depots and other military supplies in Misrata and Ajdabiya.
But Turkey is reportedly concerned the air strikes have already exceeded the UN mandate.
Last edited by Lonewolf_50; 25th Mar 2011 at 12:39.
From that photo, I was unable to figure out if it is hung on CL station. If one is there for the LGBs, I missed it. Blame it on old age?
RNoAF F-16s in the photo have an ECM pod on the centerline station from the looks of it (Looks like the old AN/ALQ-131(V) off the F-111F, I don't know the current desigation for the current US ECM pods). The RNoAF F-16s use the AN/AAQ-33 PANTERA/Sniper XL designator pod, which is mounted on a plyon mounted on the side of the air intake.
Last edited by MAINJAFAD; 25th Mar 2011 at 15:32.
A lot of pods look like ALQ-131 because the shape is cleared.
Closest aircraft has a "slick" bomb - probably JDAM - to port and LGB to starboard. I think I can make out a TDP (Norway has Sniper) on the stbd inlet pylon.
Not to mention IRIS-T AAMs, which by all accounts are a good way of explaining to obtuse individuals exactly what "no fly" means.
Closest aircraft has a "slick" bomb - probably JDAM - to port and LGB to starboard. I think I can make out a TDP (Norway has Sniper) on the stbd inlet pylon.
Not to mention IRIS-T AAMs, which by all accounts are a good way of explaining to obtuse individuals exactly what "no fly" means.
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So could this be the next step? Would it gather international support or just be the start of mission creep? Beware PM
Libya: Now we must arm the insurgents so that Gaddafi can be toppled - Telegraph
Libya: Now we must arm the insurgents so that Gaddafi can be toppled - Telegraph
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What about paragraph 4 in Security Council Resolution 1973?
The mandate seems to extend beyond an NFZ operation.
Safe ops!
What about paragraph 4 in Security Council Resolution 1973?
The mandate seems to extend beyond an NFZ operation.
Safe ops!
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I saw a report saying that some Arab countries were already supplying the "rebels" with Small arms and Ammunition.
Also, why is it the media has to write about 250 - 350 SF forces already operating in Libya ? Most would know it is happening but to make a big exposay out of it ???
Also, why is it the media has to write about 250 - 350 SF forces already operating in Libya ? Most would know it is happening but to make a big exposay out of it ???
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I become ever more concerned by this entanglement, as it drifts gently from NFZ to arms supply to ... somewhere
What next? A few spare Challengers from BFG being delivered at Benghazi docks?
Either NATO goes flat out for 'regime change', thus alienating a large swathe of the Arab community, or it does what it said on the box in NCR 1973 ... "No Fly", albeit with that fuzzily-worded rider about zapping ground forces threatening the 'civilian' population.
IMO, the dissident/rebellious/[insert preferred description] civilian population are NOT going to overthrow The Duck by driving around in pickups armed with AKs and RPGs as long as he has the Army behind him. Attacking his military vehicles with, apparently, free rein doesn't seem to be quite consonant with the original concept of 'protecting civilians'.
It's a pig's orphan eating a dog's breakfast at the moment.
What next? A few spare Challengers from BFG being delivered at Benghazi docks?
Either NATO goes flat out for 'regime change', thus alienating a large swathe of the Arab community, or it does what it said on the box in NCR 1973 ... "No Fly", albeit with that fuzzily-worded rider about zapping ground forces threatening the 'civilian' population.
IMO, the dissident/rebellious/[insert preferred description] civilian population are NOT going to overthrow The Duck by driving around in pickups armed with AKs and RPGs as long as he has the Army behind him. Attacking his military vehicles with, apparently, free rein doesn't seem to be quite consonant with the original concept of 'protecting civilians'.
It's a pig's orphan eating a dog's breakfast at the moment.
Would it gather international support
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The article stated that Arabs also want regime change (hence the arms supply - but on the quiet), the problem is, no one seems to want to go the whole hog. In some ways understandably.
The article stated that Arabs also want regime change (hence the arms supply - but on the quiet), the problem is, no one seems to want to go the whole hog. In some ways understandably.
Apparently, the mad Colonel has made zero friends among his fellow Arab potentates. So, he's expendable, in their eyes. Not a surprise.
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Meanwhile, we are all getting frazzled by nuclear fallout from Japan! Anyone know if there is a chart like they had for the volcano ash? Suppose the Typhoon guys and girl(s)? flying at high altitude will collect it first.
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Meanwhile the BBC is reporting further developments in Syria [FFS] and Yemen.
Wasn't it just one bloke in Tunisia that started this all?
I do hope his God is looking after him ... because there's a lot of dead people as a consequence of what he did.
Wasn't it just one bloke in Tunisia that started this all?
I do hope his God is looking after him ... because there's a lot of dead people as a consequence of what he did.
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Originally Posted by Willard
Seems a bit churlish to blame the deaths of others on the poor sod who immolated himself in Tunisia.
And now Fox is reporting 'turbulence' in Jordan.
You could have thought that was almost the last place it could happen.