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Can someone explain why the MRA4 has been cancelled before we screw up big time.

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Can someone explain why the MRA4 has been cancelled before we screw up big time.

Old 3rd Jan 2011, 09:25
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RAF grounds new Nimrods as safety fears hit £3.6bn project - Telegraph


Maybe this is why?



also savings needed to save Tonka fleet from scrapheap when it gets another expensive refit
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Old 3rd Jan 2011, 11:18
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NURSE,

when it gets another expensive refit
Which one would that be........!!!????
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Old 21st Jan 2011, 06:24
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The end is nigh

Telegraph report,

On Monday private contractors hired by the Ministry of Defence will chop off the wings of the first of nine Nimrod MRA4 aircraft.
The Government claims that the decision to scrap the Nimrods will save £2 billion in operating costs over the next decade
To avoid government embarrassment each £400 million aircraft will be draped in tarpaulin and dragged to a remote corner of an airfield where they will be “brutally” dismantled.


What a stupid, criminal and sad act of vandalism.
Anyone in the vicinity........photos please for the coroners report.

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Disgusting
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Poor
Stupid
Stupid
Stupid
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BBC News - London 2012 Olympics fears over Nimrod plane scrapping

The decision to scrap the new Nimrod MRA4 surveillance aircraft has prompted fears that it may leave a gap in security at the 2012 Olympic Games.
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Old 21st Jan 2011, 13:42
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I would imagine that a considerable part of the costs so far have fallen under the development column.

Who retains the IP rights to these developments? I assume it's not the MOD.
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Old 21st Jan 2011, 14:00
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Loss of capability

London 2012 Olympics fears over Nimrod plane scrapping

I am afraid that this is just scratching the surface when we talk about the entire loss of a capability. Maybe Angus Robertson could also ask about the Government's reason for ignoring the advice of CAS on this entire subject.


On another point, is it just me or does anyone else think there is something strange about how quickly we aim to scrap these aircraft?


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On another point, is it just me or does anyone else think there is something strange about how quickly we aim to scrap these aircraft?
Yeah lots of people been commenting on this, funny how their NOT cutting Harriers up or Invincible.

Its almost...lets get it done before people realize...........
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Old 21st Jan 2011, 15:02
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Invincible IS being cut up. Already up for sale for recycling, and that's all she's fit for after being stripped. Ark Royal is another matter, but you said Vince.

Harriers MAY be saleable, so why cut them up?

An interesting thought just came into my head while writing this.

If the already-converted MRA4 frames are cut up, but the yet-to-be-converted MR2s are held off for a while, does this not SCREAM that political embarrassment is the only reason to destroy these frames?
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If the already-converted MRA4 frames are cut up, but the yet-to-be-converted MR2s are held off for a while, does this not SCREAM that political embarrassment is the only reason to destroy these frames?
YES!!

Once they are destroyed then there is definitely no way to reverse this idiotic, moronic, stupid and DANGEROUS decision!!!
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Isn't it strange that this country can still find nothing wrong in throwing away over £13bn for 2 weeks of "Sports"(?) in 2012 yet can't really justify spending money on the defence & security of our country !!!!!!!!
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Isn't it strange that this country can still find nothing wrong in throwing away over £13bn for 2 weeks of "Sports"(?) in 2012 yet can't really justify spending money on the defence & security of our country !!!!!!!!
Indeed, I'd much rather cancel the Olympic Games in 2012...

Seems pretty straight forward to me!

comon Dave Cameron - Get A Fking Grip!
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Old 21st Jan 2011, 16:27
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You all need to understand something which is quite basic really and it applies to all the other threads re allowance cuts, redundancies and Post SDSR et al.
Simply put the country has changed beyond ALL recognition since the early 90's. Go in to any of the big five cities and the language spoken on the streets is not English. Soon if not now, the predominant religion in the country will not be Christian. A massive number of the indigenous population do not support our core values and aims of old and the so called “Y” generation have no idea of duty, service or community spirit. A large proportion of them, thanks to our dysfunctional education system cannot even read or write!

So we all have to accept and embrace the changes I am afraid or else appear dinosaur-esk in a rapidly changing multi cultural world. Let’s also be frank, our cold war Armed Forces have been misused big style over the last 15 years or so in order to further political aims that are at best highly dubious and at worst war crimes illegal.

I have huge regrets at the changes that are happening and the loss of capability but we need to get real. All we require are minimal defence forces as a part of a super United States of Europe which we are well and truly stuck with.

Even if some enemy were to appear on the horizon and threaten our homeland all would be lost anyway. We don’t have the heavy engineering to produce war machines and we have a population that doesn’t have the ability or the appetite to resist.


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Dunno,
I'm not sure it's down to the ethnicity of the population - it's not uncommon to find those who do not appear overly British hued to be more British than the native British. I think it's more general than that - we are training our population, via TV, to have an ever decreasing ability to concentrate and think things through, which makes it easier for each successive government to pull a fast one as less and less of the population is capable of spotting the bit when they start dealing seconds.

Which kind of leads into the bit I'll bite on, as an ex-aircrew type now firmly esconced in a second career in teaching....

thanks to our dysfunctional education system
It's not the teachers, per se, who keep messing things up - it's (a) politicians, who decide that what we really need is some 'new initiative', and (b) all the people who got out of classrooms as fast as they could, and became minor functionaries empowered to direct education, I would contend that the people best suited to decide 'what works' are those who have decided to stay in the classroom doing the job. Considering how long schools have been around it's amazing that every ten years or so the whole system is deemed to require a complete overhaul.

Anyhow....

else appear dinosaur-esk
should be 'dinosauresque' ... so write out 100 times

'I wil spel things corektli in fyewchair, or wot hope iz thur four mankynd?'

Cutting up MRA4 - it's hard to argue about something that cannot be changed, pure, simple, and typically devious.

Dave

(Edited, of course, for spelling!)
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Old 21st Jan 2011, 17:13
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Go in to any of the big five cities and the language spoken on the streets is not English. Soon if not now, the predominant religion in the country will not be Christian. A massive number of the indigenous population do not support our core values and aims of old and the so called “Y” generation have no idea of duty, service or community spirit. A large proportion of them, thanks to our dysfunctional education system cannot even read or write!
Thats easily solved.......we ship em all back from where they come from and the money we save in benefits etc etc will easily pay for the defence of OUR country
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Old 21st Jan 2011, 20:01
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On another point, is it just me or does anyone else think there is something strange about how quickly we aim to scrap these aircraft?
Almost like BAES and Dave came up with a secret plan behind closed dooors. One side saves a few bob and the other side saves face for future projects. Get rid of the problem quickly so that no-one can change their minds, or face potential exposure of another 5 years with BAES trying to make them safe and serviceable at the cost of another 2Bn quid demanded?
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Old 21st Jan 2011, 22:03
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IIRC George Edwards made the point years ago at the time of the TSR2 that in cases like this it is better to get the destruction done early.

"It's no good leaving the corpse lying about for everyone to grieve over"

But the UK aerospace industry has had quite a history on this. From the Miles M52 via the TSR2. You'd have thought we've had learned something by now.
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So we all have to accept and embrace the changes I am afraid or else appear dinosaur-esk in a rapidly changing multi cultural world.

Are those really the only the alternatives, or are you being a cowardly defeatist, a man who is is too concerned with being "respectable" to do what his ancestors would do about invaders in England?
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Old 22nd Jan 2011, 03:12
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*rolls eyes*

Anyone can design a world beater. The skill lies in making it work and operational at a reasonable cost. A skill the UK currently lacks.

Give up the whining and accept reality, huh? Bitter retrospection and blaming-the-immigrant is something your nation is becoming rather good at. And, as a national characteristic, it stinks.
 
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Hanoijane.

Agreed, I don't think the views expressed in a couple of flippant posts here were representative. One of the 2 protagonists is an American anyway, but I am sure they were just fishing for a reaction.

There is a growing rejection of the 1970s multicultural ideal as it doesn't really seem to work in practice. Most of the posters here are, by definition of our employment, proud Brits. But that doesn't mean most of us exclude anyone who wants to join and contribute to our country and play the game our way. We're a bastard nation even pre 1066 anyway and good for it.

I have no time for casual racism at all against immigrants to the UK. Who knows, we may get one or two new citizens at some point in the future who can design and build a useful aircraft on time and in budget for us........ Someone out there must be capable, surely.
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