Grrrr Words fail me..........Happy ending for Joe Townsend
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I was so incensed when I read this story that I decided to phone Ms Barby Dashwood-Hall on 01323 844374 (Number given to me by Alex White of the council if anyone wants to know) and ask her why she was not able to help this guy out. I gave her my name and address and politely told her that both she and her council should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for this outrageous decision.
I pointed out to her that this chap had given everything barr his life for this country, and that IMHO her council had a duty and responsibility to help him out in his hour of need. She said little other than that she appreciated my call!
Now I'm not suggesting for a minute that people should phone her up and give her grief, clearly that won't achieve anything, but perhaps a few of you more 'better educated' type chaps on here (BEagle maybe?) might like to have a chat with her, use your charms and try to get her and the council to reconsider their decision?
To RM Townsend, my best wishes to you, I'm saddened and annoyed that you are being treated this way, it's a disgrace.
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I pointed out to her that this chap had given everything barr his life for this country, and that IMHO her council had a duty and responsibility to help him out in his hour of need. She said little other than that she appreciated my call!
Now I'm not suggesting for a minute that people should phone her up and give her grief, clearly that won't achieve anything, but perhaps a few of you more 'better educated' type chaps on here (BEagle maybe?) might like to have a chat with her, use your charms and try to get her and the council to reconsider their decision?
To RM Townsend, my best wishes to you, I'm saddened and annoyed that you are being treated this way, it's a disgrace.
TKR
"there are actually main road signs directing one to the mosques..."
Just what the hell is wrong with that?
The racist undertones on some of these posts are a disgrace and will NOT contribute one jot to the Marines case.
Just what the hell is wrong with that?
The racist undertones on some of these posts are a disgrace and will NOT contribute one jot to the Marines case.
What's wrong with that, Double Z?
In Norwich, a truly delightful place some twenty miles or so from where I live, there are signpost all over the place to churches. I don't believe in their god either but I'm not offended.
I would suggest you have no place posting on this forum if you can not keep your racism and biggotry to yourself and hope the mods ban you for life.
Doc C: ugh:
In Norwich, a truly delightful place some twenty miles or so from where I live, there are signpost all over the place to churches. I don't believe in their god either but I'm not offended.
I would suggest you have no place posting on this forum if you can not keep your racism and biggotry to yourself and hope the mods ban you for life.
Doc C: ugh:
Doc C, I agree with you on your posts #20 and #24.
Real Romany gypsies were a familiar presence in the countryside when I were a lad down Zumazett way. Also in Lincolnshire; I was driving cautiously past a roadside gypsy camp once when a youngster ran out into the narrow road. I stopped in time, his 'somewhat large' mother called "Thank you", before giving him such a wallop that I could almost feel the impact. They certainly knew how to control their children - I'll bet he didn't do it again!
Unfortunately various ne'er do wells and sundry low life are often incorrectly termed 'gypsy' these days by the ignorant.
Back on topic, in fact the decision was far from unanimous and other councillors pleaded in favour of the application. So don't criticise them unfairly.
The report indicates that the proposed bungalow would be 'visually intrusive'. GOOD! I prefer to think of that as 'visually significant' - and it would remind all those who saw it of the sacrifice made by this Royal Marine on their behalf.
All I wrote to Ms Dashwood-Hall was:
And pr00ne, make that 4 times now I've agreed with you!
Real Romany gypsies were a familiar presence in the countryside when I were a lad down Zumazett way. Also in Lincolnshire; I was driving cautiously past a roadside gypsy camp once when a youngster ran out into the narrow road. I stopped in time, his 'somewhat large' mother called "Thank you", before giving him such a wallop that I could almost feel the impact. They certainly knew how to control their children - I'll bet he didn't do it again!
Unfortunately various ne'er do wells and sundry low life are often incorrectly termed 'gypsy' these days by the ignorant.
Back on topic, in fact the decision was far from unanimous and other councillors pleaded in favour of the application. So don't criticise them unfairly.
The report indicates that the proposed bungalow would be 'visually intrusive'. GOOD! I prefer to think of that as 'visually significant' - and it would remind all those who saw it of the sacrifice made by this Royal Marine on their behalf.
All I wrote to Ms Dashwood-Hall was:
I apologise for using your personal e-mail address; for some reason your Wealden District Council contact details have been deleted from the council's website.
I refer to the matter of your refusal to grant planning permission for WD/2008/2516/F - the proposed disabled chalet bungalow intended to support the needs of disabled Royal Marine Joe Townsend.
I wish to state my full support for the Communities Secretary's demand that you should reconsider this application and request that your Development Control South Sub-committee takes immediate action to do so in response to the public outrage which has resulted from your decision.
I refer to the matter of your refusal to grant planning permission for WD/2008/2516/F - the proposed disabled chalet bungalow intended to support the needs of disabled Royal Marine Joe Townsend.
I wish to state my full support for the Communities Secretary's demand that you should reconsider this application and request that your Development Control South Sub-committee takes immediate action to do so in response to the public outrage which has resulted from your decision.
And pr00ne, make that 4 times now I've agreed with you!
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See what I mean BEagle?
"I refer to the matter of your refusal to grant planning permission for WD/2008/2516/F - the proposed disabled chalet bungalow intended to support the needs of disabled Royal Marine Joe Townsend.
I wish to state my full support for the Communities Secretary's demand that you should reconsider this application and request that your Development Control South Sub-committee takes immediate action to do so in response to the public outrage which has resulted from your decision."
I could never have found such words like that!!!
TKR
"I refer to the matter of your refusal to grant planning permission for WD/2008/2516/F - the proposed disabled chalet bungalow intended to support the needs of disabled Royal Marine Joe Townsend.
I wish to state my full support for the Communities Secretary's demand that you should reconsider this application and request that your Development Control South Sub-committee takes immediate action to do so in response to the public outrage which has resulted from your decision."
I could never have found such words like that!!!
TKR
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As a resident of deepest darkest Hampshire, south of the M27 it is incredible the space and justification that can be found to squeeze more houses into the smallest of plots and when a major development is opposed we are advised that while there may be objections this will be overruled by the Home Sec since the housing is needed for the growing population. (Have to say its all looking at bit sick at the moment - different thread) It is a great shame that the normally over powering interfering government don't feel obliged to get more involved in sorting this very worthy unique (a word often over used but justified in this case) application.
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Doc C,
Thanks very much for your misguided input.
If you had direct experience, as I have at several locations, of 'Gypsies' - - I do not use the term in ignorance, the inhabitantsof such places which cause so much trouble in various ways find it convenient to call themselves that - then you may appreciate what I mean; maybe at some dim time in the past there was a genuine core of Romanies, but that is not the case nowadays.
I could give you plenty of personal and close friends' examples.
I have not committed slander or racism ( inhabitants of gypsy camps are unfortunately British, unless it suits them to claim something else when the tax man or officials try to call).
I have offered my support for someone crippled serving his country, and feel councillors and planning rules are a very distant second - it's a shame you prefer being fluffy PC rather than feeling like helping someone who needs it.
I mentioned mosques in reply to Winco's post, which I completely agree with; a large percentage of Muslims are obviously decent people, but such places have also been proven fermenting grounds of the type responsible for Mr.Townsend's legs...the gist of it is, ' charity begins at home', and if planners can allow mosques for whole neighborhoods, they should be able & willing to assist rather than hinder British servicemen who have paid such a price.
If anyone needs banning, it's you with your priorities.
I have mailed 'Barbie' and Hazel Blears.
Thanks very much for your misguided input.
If you had direct experience, as I have at several locations, of 'Gypsies' - - I do not use the term in ignorance, the inhabitantsof such places which cause so much trouble in various ways find it convenient to call themselves that - then you may appreciate what I mean; maybe at some dim time in the past there was a genuine core of Romanies, but that is not the case nowadays.
I could give you plenty of personal and close friends' examples.
I have not committed slander or racism ( inhabitants of gypsy camps are unfortunately British, unless it suits them to claim something else when the tax man or officials try to call).
I have offered my support for someone crippled serving his country, and feel councillors and planning rules are a very distant second - it's a shame you prefer being fluffy PC rather than feeling like helping someone who needs it.
I mentioned mosques in reply to Winco's post, which I completely agree with; a large percentage of Muslims are obviously decent people, but such places have also been proven fermenting grounds of the type responsible for Mr.Townsend's legs...the gist of it is, ' charity begins at home', and if planners can allow mosques for whole neighborhoods, they should be able & willing to assist rather than hinder British servicemen who have paid such a price.
If anyone needs banning, it's you with your priorities.
I have mailed 'Barbie' and Hazel Blears.
but such places have also been proven fermenting grounds of the type responsible for Mr.Townsend's legs...the gist of it is, ' charity begins at home', and if planners can allow mosques for whole neighborhoods, they should be able & willing to assist rather than hinder British servicemen who have paid such a price.
Would you have taken a similar viewpoint on Catholic Churches ( which also have signs directing people to them in Crawley) 30 years ago with reference to Northern Ireland ?
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Racedo,
Re. Catholics & N.Ireland, no I wouldn't object to signs, as all sides were at it, with our unfortunate servicemen stuck in the middle as usual.
Now instead of trying to be PC, let's get on with helping RM Townsend, shall we ? I take it you do actually support him, or if fighting the planners' corner I fear you're in the wrong place.
Re. Catholics & N.Ireland, no I wouldn't object to signs, as all sides were at it, with our unfortunate servicemen stuck in the middle as usual.
Now instead of trying to be PC, let's get on with helping RM Townsend, shall we ? I take it you do actually support him, or if fighting the planners' corner I fear you're in the wrong place.
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I have it in my mind from previous posts of yours that you have never served in Her Majesties Forces.
In fact I seem to recall a couple of weeks ago you stated that although you had not flown in the military, you knew people who had and therefore that gave you the knowledge to post certain points of view.
These are public forums, and no one can stop you from posting... but please refrain from posting bigoted, pompous statements unless you make it very clear you are not of the military when you do so.
Journos do lurk these forums - I'd hate to think that they might get the impression that your verbal diarrhoea was indicitave of the thoughts of the fine people who are serving today.
I have it in my mind from previous posts of yours that you have never served in Her Majesties Forces.
In fact I seem to recall a couple of weeks ago you stated that although you had not flown in the military, you knew people who had and therefore that gave you the knowledge to post certain points of view.
These are public forums, and no one can stop you from posting... but please refrain from posting bigoted, pompous statements unless you make it very clear you are not of the military when you do so.
Journos do lurk these forums - I'd hate to think that they might get the impression that your verbal diarrhoea was indicitave of the thoughts of the fine people who are serving today.
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Anotherthing, I do not suffer from verbal diarrhoea just because you disagree with my views.
I am not part of the military per se, but spent 14 years WITH all 3 services, and indeed some of our allies, in aircraft and equipment development, including live trials.
I am still in regular contact with people doing that, and with people who have relatives in Afghanistan; sending out parcels to try and improve their lot is also true, not diarrhoea.
As far as certain segments of society are concerned I am stating my views based on direct experience, and there is a direct correlation re.planning rulings and actual results.
If they don't suit your PC agenda then tough, say so by all means but don't bother stooping to insults - I haven't replied in kind to you, have I?
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Now, as far as I recall, there's a chap by the name of Joe Townsend who could do with solid support.
I have just found that the Wealden P.R. address one is directed to will not take any messages without a password - presumably they can only mail each other saying how wonderful they are.
Feedback not wanted - funny, that.
I am not part of the military per se, but spent 14 years WITH all 3 services, and indeed some of our allies, in aircraft and equipment development, including live trials.
I am still in regular contact with people doing that, and with people who have relatives in Afghanistan; sending out parcels to try and improve their lot is also true, not diarrhoea.
As far as certain segments of society are concerned I am stating my views based on direct experience, and there is a direct correlation re.planning rulings and actual results.
If they don't suit your PC agenda then tough, say so by all means but don't bother stooping to insults - I haven't replied in kind to you, have I?
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Now, as far as I recall, there's a chap by the name of Joe Townsend who could do with solid support.
I have just found that the Wealden P.R. address one is directed to will not take any messages without a password - presumably they can only mail each other saying how wonderful they are.
Feedback not wanted - funny, that.
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Gentlemen of the forum, my youngest son was with Joe on the day he was injured, he was actually following Joe as they moved forward, he will be going to see Joe tomorrow and I will make sure Joe is made aware of this thread and the support he is receiving from one and all.
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To my fellow PPRuners.
I too, am saddened by the actions of Wealden Council, and hope a re-consideration can be brokered and a solution resolved.
However, I have this awful feeling of 'Mob Rule' and 'Racism' has crept into this thread.
My feelings are my own, and are gained from weighing up facts and opinions. I think long and hard before picking up the 'cudgel'.
The vast majority of us are civilised and democratic individuals. Together, we can make a significant pressure group.
Let us not turn into a 'baying crowd'.
As to those who see The Sun newspaper as a standard bearer, look to their website to view the story as they 'present' it. Furthermore, look to comment on the story.
You are presented with a small questionaire.
Basically,
Where are you from? (Town/Place)
Which Country do you live in? (Country)
Which Football Team do you support? !!!!!!!!!!!What!!!!!!!!!!!!
Only then are you allowed to 'comment'.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and this a serious Newspaper!!!!!!!
I too, am saddened by the actions of Wealden Council, and hope a re-consideration can be brokered and a solution resolved.
However, I have this awful feeling of 'Mob Rule' and 'Racism' has crept into this thread.
My feelings are my own, and are gained from weighing up facts and opinions. I think long and hard before picking up the 'cudgel'.
The vast majority of us are civilised and democratic individuals. Together, we can make a significant pressure group.
Let us not turn into a 'baying crowd'.
As to those who see The Sun newspaper as a standard bearer, look to their website to view the story as they 'present' it. Furthermore, look to comment on the story.
You are presented with a small questionaire.
Basically,
Where are you from? (Town/Place)
Which Country do you live in? (Country)
Which Football Team do you support? !!!!!!!!!!!What!!!!!!!!!!!!
Only then are you allowed to 'comment'.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and this a serious Newspaper!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by council
"Alternatively there is the possibility to convert an existing storage building at the rear of the existing dwelling to provide the required independent accommodation.
Meaning... "stick the crippled sod in a shed where we don't have to notice him".
They deserve more than a verbal beating.
Sgt, USMC 1981-1989.