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Old 20th Apr 2010, 08:20
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I'm no optometrist, but isn't 6/12 equivalent to -1? (the RAAF's eyesight requirement as stated sometime back in the thread)
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Old 20th Apr 2010, 09:49
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The trip to the medical specialists isnt until after FSP, so as long as you meet a certain eyesight standard, that is, reading smallish letters on a chart a metre(ish) away (with one eye covered etc etc), it shouldnt be a problem i imagine.

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Old 20th Apr 2010, 10:39
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@ finestkind
I am not sure, when I talked to the person at Tamworth, they weren't very clear, i guess it might take longer? ( too look at pilot compared to observer)
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Old 20th Apr 2010, 10:56
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I was under the impression that the mandatory specialist assesments had to be done prior to FSP...

There's a manual floating about somewhere which details all these sorts of brain teasers, the DFR doctors refer to it so I suppose you should try and get in contact with one if you can't find any relevant extracts floating about on the net.

The previous page of the thread seems really weird.

BTW, Anyone here intending on going for the ADFA 2011 intake?
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Old 20th Apr 2010, 11:09
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Originally Posted by AlexanderB
The previous page of the thread seems really weird.
That'll be because the forum mods ripped out a chunk of posts relating to another post that was either a very poor attempt at a joke or just plain childish. A post or two from the exchange is still lying about there, making the page a little hard to read.
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Old 20th Apr 2010, 12:01
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I was under the impression that the mandatory specialist assesments had to be done prior to FSP...

There's a manual floating about somewhere which details all these sorts of brain teasers, the DFR doctors refer to it so I suppose you should try and get in contact with one if you can't find any relevant extracts floating about on the net.

The previous page of the thread seems really weird.

BTW, Anyone here intending on going for the ADFA 2011 intake?
I asked my enlistment coordinator, and she told me that they were after FSP .

And yes, ADFA 2011 ftw
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Old 20th Apr 2010, 12:20
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There are several phases of medicals, no surprises or secrets here unlike the rest of the testing you undertake:

First is at YOU session with a basic questionnaire and colourblindness test.

At assessment day for pilot applicants, you're measured to make sure you're good to go with ejection seats, they do an EKG, lung capacity, hearing test, and a series of eye tests (they check for 20/20 vision amongs other things, each eye is tested seperately and together in a variety of tests), and a few more where a doc goes over you to check everything is in order. After this stage you're not yet proven fit for enlistment.

At FSP you have to do your fitness test to the Army standard irrespective of the service you applied for.

Further medicals following FSP are the pre enlistment medical checks, which oddly enough you do prior to your offer . They are dental and ophthalmological check ups, and there can be further appointments made if they have picked up on anything of concern in the previous stages (eg. an irregular EKG reading or low lung capacity may need to be examined further). Prior to enlisting, you have to then do the fitness assessment again.

On the down low: this is supposedly a typical profile, and this is what I have experienced in my selection process. Guys on my FSP from other states have had experiences that have varied slightly though, like pretty much everything else in the recruitment process.
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Old 20th Apr 2010, 12:23
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Thats a bit of a relief although you'd think that the FSP instructors would want a medical class 1 rather than the class 3M.

Looks as though we're at about the same stage; waiting for an FSP slot.

Definately ADFA 2011 for the win.
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Old 20th Apr 2010, 21:32
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PSA do not make policy on what medical checks are required. As far as I'm aware that information comes from recruiting.
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Old 21st Apr 2010, 03:57
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Fitness test at FSP aye? Better start getting fit then
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Old 21st Apr 2010, 04:36
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Army PFT: 15 Push-ups, 45 Sit-ups, 7.5 Shuttle run score

No big challenge. I can recall seeing something about a 2.4km timed run which spurred me into starting somewhat of an exercise regime and I managed to get my time down to 10:30, I can't find anything on this assesment anymore.
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Old 21st Apr 2010, 05:08
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The fitness test isn't hard by any stretch of the imagination. The one done in Tamworth doesn't prevent you from getting in if you fail (thats the pre enlistment fitness test), but its definitely there for a reason. It certainly wouldn't be an indicator of motivation if you couldn't make 10 pushups, 45 situps (feet anchored!), and 7.5 on the beep test. After all, for most of that 7.5 you'll either be walking if you've timed it right, or standing around if you haven't
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Old 21st Apr 2010, 07:47
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Assessment Day

Made it through my YOU day yesterday. Thanks to everyone for the help.

I have a question in regard to my up coming Assessment day testing. Is it the maths test on my Assessment day that
goes up to about a year 10 standard (pythag, SOHCAHTOA, long multiplication, decimal multiplication, addition and subtraction)
and estimation or is it more complex.

Also what else can I expect to be doing (test wise) on that day?

Thanks Jorocketoz
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Old 21st Apr 2010, 08:03
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Wink

Made it through my YOU day yesterday. Thanks to everyone for the help.

I have a question in regard to my up coming Assessment day testing. Is it the maths test on my Assessment day that
Quote:goes up to about a year 10 standard (pythag, SOHCAHTOA, long multiplication, decimal multiplication, addition and subtraction)
goes up to about a year 10 standard (pythag, SOHCAHTOA, long multiplication, decimal multiplication, addition and subtraction)
and estimation or is it more complex.

Also what else can I expect to be doing (test wise) on that day?
Okay, well youve done the easy part and now it gets a bit trickier.
And you actually have an extra day of further pilot specific testing before assesment day. It includes:

-Instrument reading, which is basically just reading scales on somewhat dodgey instrument panels. Its 60 questions in 9mins, if i remember correctly.

-2 lots of aircraft orientation questions. Shoudl be very simple for most people.

-2 maths test:
*One is an estimation type queestions
*One is Speed distance time questions (Speed Distance Time for Dummies - The Student Room should help)

- A series of hand eye coord test.

I suggest you read up on this forum if you havent as of yet
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Old 21st Apr 2010, 08:41
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Hey guys, going to derail here for a bit =s

What do you think the difference between a manager and a leader is?

I know there is one but I can't seem to word the difference properly, is it that a leader inspires people to do a task, whereas a manager tells them to do it?
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Old 21st Apr 2010, 09:12
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My leadership experience isn't horrendously far ranging or anything, but I see no harm in putting my $0.02 in here.

In my opinion, the difference between a manager and a leader lies in the fact that well, management is but one facet of leadership. A manager is rarely expected to be charismatic, etc. A leader is expected to show primary and secondary leadership behaviours. I once read somewhere, "Managers blame, Leaders take blame." (not infallible, but illustrates the point about integrity in a leader)

A manager, in the sense of the word, is someone who 'manages' a task, perhaps conducts planning and organization of resources, but is ultimately assigned these short-term tasks by a 'Leader', who seeks to achieve a long-term goal. The manager is expected to fit to a mould with his actions, while his Leader sets/shapes that mould.

Everyone's definition is different, googling/reading about Management vs. Leadership and drawing your own conclusions is probably the best thing to do, and to be honest, I don't see anything wrong with your definition anyway.
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Old 21st Apr 2010, 10:48
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Thanks a million rotor11 I really appreciate it.
Will do.

Cheers Jorocketoz
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Old 21st Apr 2010, 10:55
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Hey sigh

I just googled "leadership v management" and a few sites came up. Don't know if they put it how u want it but might be worth checking out:

Leadership vs. Management

Leadership and Management: The Difference

Hope that may help u a bit.

Regards Jorocketoz
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Old 21st Apr 2010, 11:21
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Cheers mate
Understand it alot better now, leadership is more dynamic and about encouraging/motivating people to follow you, whereas management is more like planning and telling people what to do, as subordinates.

Had this question at my assessment day and got suck, luckily I had a really good interviewer that mind too much :P
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Old 21st Apr 2010, 12:12
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Jorocketoz- If you're having your spec. testing on the same day as your assesment day then your in for one hell of a time. It might pay to look back through the thread and see what you can dig up, the spec testing is much more challenging than the YOU testing.

Good job on passing.

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Theedmancometh- I've heard that same general statement from a few other guys although I've been particularly lucky with recruiting. My application has gone through the Melboure DFR centre and I've always been able to get honest and accurate answers, some of the recruiters have even gone out of their way to help out and I've found them to be a friendly bunch.

It might be that you're talking to the wrong people, try asking the senior recruiters or simply trying to seek out answers in person.

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Hey Sigh, that's actually a really good question, I can't imagine a candidate not being asked it. My answer was very similar to yours in most aspects.
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