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Old 25th Oct 2009, 23:17
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G'day Guys,

I'm also hoping that someone here can help me as well. Has anybody else been in the position of not having the educational requirements necessary to apply as DEO Pilot and successfully completed a bridging course or courses that were recognized by DFR? I've completed the YOU day and Spec testing and passed, however unfortunately I didn't realize the importance of education when I was at high school, and ultimately did as little work as possible.

My Local DFR office has called through to PSA in Tamworth, and been advised that it is up to me to find appropriate courses to meet the educational requirements. I'm willing to do this obviously, however I'm concerned that I will complete a course, and then be told it isn't recognized or up to equivalent standards by DFR.

If anyone has done this previously, can you please let me know what you have completed and where so that I can look into this as well? I've kind of hit a brick wall at the moment.


mkw_raaf

also the year 12 subjects im taking are
math methods
physics
english
physicl ed

Are you doing these through a particular school or a university bridging course?

Thanks for any help and suggestions.
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Hi Ben,

I was in a similar situation a few years back. I did testing but ultimately I only did General Maths, not 2-unit (NSW name). I was told the same story and they suggested I go to TAFE and do something at a 2-unit equivalent. I spoke to a few people at TAFE and got the course approved by recruiting. It was a statement of attainment in maths and science. I did the initial maths course and physics, then moved onto the advanced ones. Sorry I don't have the subject names, i've forgotten. I believe the statement is being phased out though and a new course being introduced. I didn't finish the course because I moved out of town for uni. I'm now finishing up this year and need to do a maths course again and was told about Aero Physics in Brisbane. Its a lot more expensive than TAFE ($1600, TAFE is all of about $180 haha) but it is only 4 weeks long whereas TAFE will set you back about 6 months. Speak to Steve, the guy running it. It's apparently ADF approved, however I'd contact recruiting. Basically, search for courses that sound right and seek approval. The issue with the bridging courses is that sometimes there is no mark/certificate given (which ADF usually need) and most don't cover the curriculum necessary. As I said though, just look and ask questions. One thing I will say is that you don't have to go and do the whole HSC course which is a bonus! PM me if you want information on courses I've found.

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Old 26th Oct 2009, 05:01
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Ben Harris, bridging courses probably vary from state to state. Personally in mine It is done through TAFE. This year I have been doing the course through correspondence as to do it in my own time.

Also just wondering if anyone knows if the WOMBAT test is used for the aptitude tests still.

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Old 26th Oct 2009, 05:46
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Ben Harris, bridging courses probably vary from state to state. Personally in mine It is done through TAFE. This year I have been doing the course through correspondence as to do it in my own time.
Thanks Damien, Your not by chance based in Queensland are you?


Also just wondering if anyone knows if the WOMBAT test is used for the aptitude tests still.
If by Wombat you mean similar to this, then a month ago when I completed spec testing it was one of the tests. Left and a right joystick which controlled different things on the screen ( eg a horizontal slider and a vertical slider), and when a new test started they would be reversed, or put on an angle of 30 degree's and then rotated a further 30 degrees. From memory I think it went for about 40-50 minutes, possibly a little less.
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Old 26th Oct 2009, 07:52
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Wombat sucks. If you want to do well at pilot specific testing. Get this book

Master the Military Flight Aptitude Test, ISBN 9780768927931 - Emporium Books - EmporiumBooks.com.au

it helped me. Best money I spent.
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Old 26th Oct 2009, 10:55
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Education Requirements

Was not that hard boys. Show a little initiative, it will be rewarded at things like OSB's.

Education Requirements | Pilot | Defence Jobs
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Educational Equivalency

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Old 26th Oct 2009, 14:01
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Was not that hard boys. Show a little initiative, it will be rewarded at things like OSB's.
Thanks for your response, but as Dilmah G said, what I was actually after is courses that are approved or taken into consideration if I don't meet the current education requirements listed on the site you provided. eg in Queensland, Maths B is the minimum, whereas unfortunately I only did Maths A. There are plenty of Maths B bridging courses that I can find, but again I'm not sure if particular ones are approved or recommended, or how it works.

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Benharris, the best thing to do is ring DFR. Asking here you'll get all sorts of different answers and it'll take time for people to post - on the phone with DFR, they'll give you a definite answer and it's instant.
Unfortunately, it hasn't been that easy. I've tried a couple of times with 131902, and both times the operator hasn't been able to give me any information. My Local DFR was more help, but even they couldn't give specific courses, they said it would be up to me to find courses that fit in with the requirements on the PSA site, which I have done, but I would still like confirmation that the courses chosen will be recognized once completed. I guess I'm just hoping to find someone who has been in the same position and progressed, and to see how they did it.

Thanks again everyone.
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Hi Ben,

I was in a similar situation a few years back. I did testing but ultimately I only did General Maths, not 2-unit (NSW name). I was told the same story and they suggested I go to TAFE and do something at a 2-unit equivalent. I spoke to a few people at TAFE and got the course approved by recruiting. It was a statement of attainment in maths and science. I did the initial maths course and physics, then moved onto the advanced ones. Sorry I don't have the subject names, i've forgotten. I believe the statement is being phased out though and a new course being introduced. I didn't finish the course because I moved out of town for uni. I'm now finishing up this year and need to do a maths course again and was told about Dr Steven Holding - Aeronautical Mathematics - Aeronautical Physics - Aptitude Testing Qantas - Pilot Aptitude Test - Cadet Pilot Aptitude Test - Qlink Pilot Aptitude Test - Jetstar Pilot Aptitude Test - V Australia Pilot Aptitude Test - Cathay Pacif in Brisbane. Its a lot more expensive than TAFE ($1600, TAFE is all of about $180 haha) but it is only 4 weeks long whereas TAFE will set you back about 6 months. Speak to Steve, the guy running it. It's apparently ADF approved, however I'd contact recruiting. Basically, search for courses that sound right and seek approval. The issue with the bridging courses is that sometimes there is no mark/certificate given (which ADF usually need) and most don't cover the curriculum necessary. As I said though, just look and ask questions. One thing I will say is that you don't have to go and do the whole HSC course which is a bonus! PM me if you want information on courses I've found.
Sorry! I completely missed your post last night, but thats exactly the kind of information I was after. As for getting it approved by DFR, did you just call 131902 and clarify it with them? or someone else. Did they put something in writing for you?
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I posted that info yesterday morning and for some reason it didn't show up until today. My posts seem to do that

From what I've read you've done the YOU session etc. Your best bet is to call your recruiter who spoke to you about your YOU results. They actually know or can find out information for you. The people on 131901 generally can't give you any more info than you can find on the website. I couldn't even get them to tell me about corrective eye surgery, so talk to your recruiter. If you don't have one, you can call your DFR office and request to speak to someone that can help.

I never got anything in writing, my recruiter actually recommended the course to me. I just made sure it was 2-unit equivalent by speaking to people at TAFE and then confirmed it with my recruiter. The thing about that TAFE course is that it's actually a course for people wanting to go into further study i.e. Uni, who didn't gain the requirements or didn't finish year 12. As I said, I didn't finish it as I went off to uni so I'm in the same boat as you at the moment and either need to do the same course again (or the new one they bring in if they do) OR I need to find something similar that's approved. Planning on finding out about the Aero Physics course today.

Your other option is to enrol in a uni subject. You can actually enrol in a single subject and because it's at uni level, it generally counts, however as always, get the go ahead from recruiting before you invest time and money.

Hope the info helps, I'll post my progress for you and others.
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Thanks again,


From what I've read you've done the YOU session etc. Your best bet is to call your recruiter who spoke to you about your YOU results. They actually know or can find out information for you.
Yep, done the YOU and the additional Spec testing. From what I've been told by DFR the application stays on hold until I complete the educational requirements.

This is the course I was looking at -

Transition Mathematics 2(TM2) - Mathematics Learning Centre

From the CQU Website -

Transition Mathematics 2(TM2)

This course continues on from TM1 but is complete in itself as a preparatory course for a study of first year tertiary mathematics, in business, applied science and engineering. Topics covered in TM2 include an introduction to functions, trigonometry, vectors, inequalities, analytic geometry, sequences and series, matrix algebra and an introduction to calculus. The emphasis is on graphical representation and interpretation and application of the content to problem solving and mathematical modelling.

Its a little cheaper than the Dr Holding course (Approximately $400, going up to $580 in the new year), and is Qantas approved. Not sure about Defense approved though. I spoke to the facillitator a couple of weeks ago and he said that people have used it to meet entry into the RAAF.

Alternatively, Unilearn (UNILearn - Learning programs at a time and place suitable to you) has a maths and a physics course also. Once again, unsure if they are approved by DFR.

QTAC - Preparatory Courses

Is a good website for anyone in Queensland, as it lists a-lot of preparatory and bridging courses.
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The CQU one looks good. Just be careful though, the only issue with some bridging courses is it can be very reliant on your previous knowledge. The CQU one looks really good, lots of support and progress tests as well as being self paced. I'm going to narrow it down to that and the Dr. Holding course. I'll find out approval information and get back on here when I do.
Think I'll stop spamming the forum with maths info for now
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Thanks Damien, Your not by chance based in Queensland are you?
Unfortunately, no.
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ADFA Qualities?

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Hey Dilmah,

These are just my thoughts so don't take them as fact. I think that the qualities assessed in both entry types are not necessarily different, however I think that DEO applicants would have to be showing certain qualities at the time of recruitment, whereas ADFA applicants would have to show the potential to develop these qualities (whilst undertaking they're 3/4 year degree) if they don't already have them. For example, an ADFA applicant might be assessed on their potential to develop strong leadership skills while a DEO applicant would be assessed on whether they have those skills at the present time.

Having said that, I think that someone applying to ADFA would need to be showing the required qualities to a certain extent in order to be competitive.

Once again just my thoughts, it would be interesting to know what anyone else thinks about this?
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Benharris,

I am in the same position as you at the moment. I had enrolled in to a mathematics bridging course at La Trobe University in Melbourne. Unfortunatly, it got cancelled a week prior to commencement. So I've contacted Steve Holding to attend the Aeronautical Mathematics course in Brisbane. I believe I am going to start in February as it is the closest timeslot available. I have contacted many people with various levels of success over the acceptability of the course, and have come to the conclusion that the ADF will not catogorically appprove it. It has been used in many cases, to support a DEO application with varying levels of success. The same can be said about 'bridging courses' run by universities. I recieved a really informative email from a member of Defence Force Recruiting recently. She stated "we do not recommend any specific courses as we have no control over the content or standard". That being said, she does go on to state what I have previously written.

Hope this helps,
(Might see you up in Brisbane shortly...)

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Received a ADFA RAAF Pilot offer today guys

Pretty happy! Taken a while but good to get through. Best of luck to any other candidates.

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James,

Was that an offer for flight screening or for actually starting ADFA next year?

Either way, well done!
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Starting ADFA next year mate.
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