Uniform at UK airports
I'm afraid you've all missed the point that it doesn't matter who your Bosses are, or what they want! - It's the Airport Bosses, and Police, that don't want the aggro, and don't want your uniforms!
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Airport Bosses, and Police, that don't want the aggro, and don't want your uniforms
Many years ago my Squadron (green, not cavalry, not signals, so work it out..) used to travel down the M4 to the land of the sheep quite frequently. The service station staff used to welcome us, and I'm certain that the lady dishing out the chips gave us all an extra portion. On one occaision there were some thugs scrapping in the car park and the duty manager asked us to go and sort it out as the Bill were miles away. Luckily it just took a few hard stares and they scuttled away.
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Rigga
It doesnt matter what the airport bosses and the police want. CDS sits on the primeministers board. If he told them that we can wear uniform, then we could wear uniform. The more people that wear uniform in public places, the less chance of any type of attack.
This is really becoming a bee in my bonnet now. I have recieved a preliminary reply from David Cameron on this subject. I will post his reply as soon as i get it. All i want is the right for a serviceman (or woman) to choose whether they want to wear uniform or not.
It doesnt matter what the airport bosses and the police want. CDS sits on the primeministers board. If he told them that we can wear uniform, then we could wear uniform. The more people that wear uniform in public places, the less chance of any type of attack.
This is really becoming a bee in my bonnet now. I have recieved a preliminary reply from David Cameron on this subject. I will post his reply as soon as i get it. All i want is the right for a serviceman (or woman) to choose whether they want to wear uniform or not.
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The service station staff used to welcome us, and I'm certain that the lady dishing out the chips gave us all an extra portion
Almost makes eating the food worth it
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Policy at the last flying station in the West Mids is not to wear flying kit outside camp. Is this a Crab-wide rule, or is it just a local-ism? I often see trafficers and adminers (and a few in green gear) in the town shops (almost always sans headgear), so what's the deal when aircrew aren't to be seen in their working dress? Preferably with head gear to make the uniform complete (must be something to do with crabs and hair styles 
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
Policy at the last flying station in the West Mids is not to wear flying kit outside camp. Is this a Crab-wide rule, or is it just a local-ism? I often see trafficers and adminers (and a few in green gear) in the town shops (almost always sans headgear), so what's the deal when aircrew aren't to be seen in their working dress? Preferably with head gear to make the uniform complete (must be something to do with crabs and hair styles ).
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On a rare occasion yesterday I needed to go into the local Tescos in uniform on the way home from work. The looks from some of the other customers suggested that I may have been an alien/contagious/a piece of sh1t on their shoe. Yet no one batted an eyelid at those wearing filthy painters/workmans overalls and the local chavs with acres of flab hanging out.
I know I probably shouldn't be surprised but it does make me wonder sometimes.
I also note that on the Lyneham village website discussion forum the local busy bodies have taken to "scruffy airman" bashing. These are the same people who are supposedly worried sick that Lyneham will close and their village will be ruined.
I know I probably shouldn't be surprised but it does make me wonder sometimes.
I also note that on the Lyneham village website discussion forum the local busy bodies have taken to "scruffy airman" bashing. These are the same people who are supposedly worried sick that Lyneham will close and their village will be ruined.
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
Policy at the last flying station in the West Mids is not to wear flying kit outside camp. Is this a Crab-wide rule, or is it just a local-ism? I often see trafficers and adminers (and a few in green gear) in the town shops (almost always sans headgear), so what's the deal when aircrew aren't to be seen in their working dress? Preferably with head gear to make the uniform complete (must be something to do with crabs and hair styles ).
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Wearing of Uniform in Public (UK) (QR 199)
0110. All RAF personnel at UK units should normally wear civilian clothes when they are not required for duty. However, unless otherwise ordered, No 1 and No 2 uniform modes may be worn routinely in public, on public transport, on foot or in private transport.
0110. All RAF personnel at UK units should normally wear civilian clothes when they are not required for duty. However, unless otherwise ordered, No 1 and No 2 uniform modes may be worn routinely in public, on public transport, on foot or in private transport.
Oh and if they are sans headgear they should be told to put it on by anyone with sufficient seniority (or by any WO irrespective of the seniority of the slack ....) irrespective of service. Unless, of course, they happen to be aircrew on the Crew Bus at a secret airbase in Northern Scotland (see another current thread)
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Originally Posted by Rigga
I'm afraid you've all missed the point that it doesn't matter who your Bosses are, or what they want! - It's the Airport Bosses, and Police, that don't want the aggro, and don't want your uniforms!
No its not.....Its your boss that matters.
She's called Elizabeth and lioves in Windsor if anyone wants to contact her
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Uniform is one thing. Scruffy, baggy flying overalls festooned with boyscout badges covering different coloured T-shirts and worn by overweight 'cabin crew' is quite another issue. 
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Originally Posted by airborne_artist
ISTR that BAA were more than happy for the boys in green to patrol outside LHR soon after 9/11, despite the fact that a Scimitar CVR(T) would be a poor counter-terrorist weapons platform.
Originally Posted by airborne_artist
Many years ago my Squadron (green, not cavalry, not signals, so work it out..)
I'm only joshing. Your handle gives it all away. As I am sure you well know
Edited to add: Your brethren of the "non Artist" type robbed us bleep types of our berets in Bos so they wouldn't look quite so conspicuous. Only thing is, they failed to recognise that us bleep types don't normally go around tooled up to the nines!
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Your brethren of the "non Artist" type robbed us bleep types of our berets in Bos so they wouldn't look quite so conspicuous.
Way back when during Vietnam, I got stopped a few times by the police on my way to the mess in town late at night. As soon as they saw I was in uniform it was 'off you go then"
Originally Posted by Tigs2
The more people that wear uniform in public places, the less chance of any type of attack.
At one set of leaving drinks I asked a VVSO whether he would be encouraging a change and a move towards wearing of uniform in his next post. His reply was "No - the Civil Serpents wouldn't like it". So C*S bows to pressure from civil serpents because they like us to be anonymous ad we all have to be pink and fluffy about being "inclusive" and not elitist!! When and if the MOD goes to the wearing of uniform in London we might just start reminding the politicians that we do existand that we should be supported properly. My answer - wear your uniform with pride, smartly and correctly at all opportunities. Remind them, politicians, civil servants and the general public, that we do exist (but for god sake don't let linies downtown in their coveralls)
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Hey folks,
Just in case your intrested in regards to the medias coverage of the deaths in afghanistan of the two servicemen , having watched the BBC news i felt so appalled i wrote a snot-o-gram which i logged as an offical complaint with the BBC it read as follows:
Sir/Madam
I would like to draw your attention to what i feel is a injustice
perpetrated by the ten o clock news, I am both shocked,dismayed and
disgusted that the BBC seen fit to devote approximately six minutes and
the top priority to the story of Englands football captain resigning and
a mere two minutes covering the death of two of our this countries
servicemen. I apprexiate that this story may not have been the most
"sexiest" of stories however as a mark of respect the BBC could have
placed this story at the head of the programme, and as for the pitiful
amount of time spent covering the story, is a minute of air time each
all a servicemens life is worth to the BBC?
Regards
xxxxx
Two days later I recieved this reply:
Thank you for your e-mail.
Your concerns that you felt it was inappropriate to lead BBC ONE News programmes
on 2 July with the resignation of David Beckham as England football captain have
been addressed by the Deputy Editor of Daytime News, Ben Rich, on the BBC's
"Editors" online site (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/). His response is
as follows:
"Sunday brought one of those editorial dilemmas that we often face.
In the early morning, news came through that two British soldiers had been
killed in Afghanistan. It led the bulletins on radio and television. At around
10.30am, David Beckham resigned as England football captain.
So which of these events should be at the top at lunchtime and later?
We know some of our viewers hate sports stories, and we were also aware that
these tragic deaths in Afghanistan were very important too. Equally, around a
third of the entire UK population watched England's World Cup quarter final, and
it was a huge national as well as sporting event.
Also, when two British soldiers died last week in Afghanistan we not only led
with it, but had a second report from one of our defence correspondents
analysing the controversy over the mission itself, and the equipment our troops
had been given to accomplish it, and another live interview. That previous
coverage was also part of our thinking.
For people who don't like sports stories, the choice would be clear. But if you
accept that the World Cup should be big news, the question is how big? In the
end we put David Beckham at the top, although I suspect even some of our team
thought it should have been the other way round. But then on the same day eight
people were killed in two separate road accidents, and two women were found
murdered at a massage parlour - where did those stories belong?
These sorts of choices confront us most days, and all you can do is weigh the
factors as best you can, and accept that there is more than one valid view on
what course was right."
Please be assured that your feedback has been fully registered on our daily
audience log which is made available senior BBC management.
Thank you, once more, for taking the time to contact the BBC.
Regards
BBC Information
IMHO folks it still shows a lack of respect and sensetivity from the Beeb
I await any Comments
Just in case your intrested in regards to the medias coverage of the deaths in afghanistan of the two servicemen , having watched the BBC news i felt so appalled i wrote a snot-o-gram which i logged as an offical complaint with the BBC it read as follows:
Sir/Madam
I would like to draw your attention to what i feel is a injustice
perpetrated by the ten o clock news, I am both shocked,dismayed and
disgusted that the BBC seen fit to devote approximately six minutes and
the top priority to the story of Englands football captain resigning and
a mere two minutes covering the death of two of our this countries
servicemen. I apprexiate that this story may not have been the most
"sexiest" of stories however as a mark of respect the BBC could have
placed this story at the head of the programme, and as for the pitiful
amount of time spent covering the story, is a minute of air time each
all a servicemens life is worth to the BBC?
Regards
xxxxx
Two days later I recieved this reply:
Thank you for your e-mail.
Your concerns that you felt it was inappropriate to lead BBC ONE News programmes
on 2 July with the resignation of David Beckham as England football captain have
been addressed by the Deputy Editor of Daytime News, Ben Rich, on the BBC's
"Editors" online site (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/). His response is
as follows:
"Sunday brought one of those editorial dilemmas that we often face.
In the early morning, news came through that two British soldiers had been
killed in Afghanistan. It led the bulletins on radio and television. At around
10.30am, David Beckham resigned as England football captain.
So which of these events should be at the top at lunchtime and later?
We know some of our viewers hate sports stories, and we were also aware that
these tragic deaths in Afghanistan were very important too. Equally, around a
third of the entire UK population watched England's World Cup quarter final, and
it was a huge national as well as sporting event.
Also, when two British soldiers died last week in Afghanistan we not only led
with it, but had a second report from one of our defence correspondents
analysing the controversy over the mission itself, and the equipment our troops
had been given to accomplish it, and another live interview. That previous
coverage was also part of our thinking.
For people who don't like sports stories, the choice would be clear. But if you
accept that the World Cup should be big news, the question is how big? In the
end we put David Beckham at the top, although I suspect even some of our team
thought it should have been the other way round. But then on the same day eight
people were killed in two separate road accidents, and two women were found
murdered at a massage parlour - where did those stories belong?
These sorts of choices confront us most days, and all you can do is weigh the
factors as best you can, and accept that there is more than one valid view on
what course was right."
Please be assured that your feedback has been fully registered on our daily
audience log which is made available senior BBC management.
Thank you, once more, for taking the time to contact the BBC.
Regards
BBC Information
IMHO folks it still shows a lack of respect and sensetivity from the Beeb
I await any Comments
I have always enjoyed seeing representatives of the armed forces in uniform at Wimbledon. I have no idea if this is a perk or a duty but it seems right that they should be seen as important and accepted at British institutions such as Wimbledon. I hope that it is a perk and that they want to be there and are not there just as cheap security.
Although I didn't see any of them get involved when the streaker appeared the day before yesterday, there seemd to be quite a few Green Berets on the court yesterday when two comedians tried to play tennis on the centre court.
Although I didn't see any of them get involved when the streaker appeared the day before yesterday, there seemd to be quite a few Green Berets on the court yesterday when two comedians tried to play tennis on the centre court.