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I had the joy of attending a meeting in Abbey Wood last week. In one of the tree house cafes, there was a Sqn Ldr aircrew type in DPM rig and special non reflective boots. Perhaps the airlines are saving us from JS uniforms regs. That said; doesn't explain the requirement for plain clothes on the Timmy down to MPA.
A serious point: many years ago, wasn't there a hijack of an A/C with uniformed US serviceman on board? I seem to remember that they were singled out for special treatment.
A serious point: many years ago, wasn't there a hijack of an A/C with uniformed US serviceman on board? I seem to remember that they were singled out for special treatment.
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FWIW, we at Yeovilton are positively encouraged to wear uniform ashore - since the change in policy wrt NI - mess kit in the pubs in Sherborne before the JCP always goes down well. Keeping the RN and especially the FAA in the public eye is just one facet of the whole recruiting drive to ensure we get sufficient inflow through Raleigh and BRNC's doors.... Just like SiClik's Royal Navy badges for all FAA aircrew being another way of recruiting... We have (or had) a Lynx away as either a static or displaying as the Black Cats almost every weekend this summer, with as many maintainers and aircrew talking to the public as possible.
I cannot believe this policy as described above - did someone actually think it up to annoy us? It really is a fanastic retention measure
. Looking at the Busch Heroes site above reminded me of this:
Disney World - Golf Resort - don't see Tussaud's handing over the Alton Tower's Hotel to the NAAFI or SAFFA to run....
jk
I cannot believe this policy as described above - did someone actually think it up to annoy us? It really is a fanastic retention measure
. Looking at the Busch Heroes site above reminded me of this:Disney World - Golf Resort - don't see Tussaud's handing over the Alton Tower's Hotel to the NAAFI or SAFFA to run....
jk
How many of those ar$e-licking sycophants in Bliar's so-called government have any sort of military uniform they could wear in public?
Fatty Two Shags in his sailor suit doesn't really count, of course.
One thinks that if that old dear with the handbag was still driving No.10, some faceless bureaucrat would be doing a bit of an Axminster shuffle over this.
I garher that, not only do the lads have to try to change in the lavatories at the Covert Oxonian Aerodrome, but most of the loos are u/s and whatever the latest silly name for MoW/MPBW/DoE is won't fix them as a priority? But that IS only a rumour.....
Fatty Two Shags in his sailor suit doesn't really count, of course.
One thinks that if that old dear with the handbag was still driving No.10, some faceless bureaucrat would be doing a bit of an Axminster shuffle over this.
I garher that, not only do the lads have to try to change in the lavatories at the Covert Oxonian Aerodrome, but most of the loos are u/s and whatever the latest silly name for MoW/MPBW/DoE is won't fix them as a priority? But that IS only a rumour.....
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until about four years ago i used to work at a major north west airport and still keep in contact with one or two of my work mates....
one of them told me that they regularly got/get medi vac flights in from those nice places in the world that our boys and girls are fighting in, and they are almost sworn to secrecy when they are arriving/who is on board etc etc.....
it was the same when i was there! a trooping flight would be parked up at some remote side of the airport and it seemed to me that the coaches bringing/picking them up would almost sneak in like some unwanted disease and off they went to where they were heading!! BUT........................
when someone famous turned up, same corner of airfield, but almost a fanfare as they arrived.... i know for certain that a certain group of charitable soccer players arrived a few weeks back, they were caught on the ramp smoking!!!!!! but i have it on good authority that no one 'important' said anything as they didn't want to upset them....
it sort of brings it back to a post earlier..... the press, and maybe even the public(although there is one or two on here that i will distance from that comment) would rather hear about some pop star/footballer/celebrity's everyday life than someone else who has risked or for that matter lost theirs!!
the society we live in is all wrong, we pamper to the WRONG people, i have noticed in the last 48 hrs the complete lack of moronic idiots walking around draped in the george cross! where have they all gone?? i thought that they were english/british and proud of it!! i would be interested to see how 'patriotic' they really are and issue them with a challenge.... change places with the next poor soul tasked with yet another tour in some god forsaken place, and wear that flag with pride.............................. WHAT NO TAKERS??? TOO SCARED OF LOSING YOUR EASY, BENEFIT FUNDED LIFESTYLE EH?? THOUGH SO!!!
oh well the tabloids must really be in a bind to find space for the next installment of WAGS or which pop star is smoking what, because some soldier has got himself killed, somewhere or other.... but we need the space in the paper!!!
tigs, i hope that all them e-mails have some sort of effect with alton towers etc.... the yanks do put us to shame in some respects......
also i remember talking to a 'hostie' once at the airport that was about to go pick up some squaddies from somewhere.. i asked her if she had a problem with it, ie what flights were best club 18-30 drunken idiots, or sqn/regt x??
her answer was fairly simple.... " i TRY not to bend down too much, as it seems like 200 sex starved sets of eyes are staring at me constantly, but as long as they get a beer or two i would take them over said drunken idiots anyday!!!!"
ok rant over.... or is it????
tigs i see you have a loved one away at the mo? hope she is ok and keeping well! tell her i (and i think that i can talk for others on here) think what she is doing is very commendable, brave and i am in awe at her and her friends!!
tell her that no matter how hard things get, there is ALWAYS people back in britain who would support them no matter what!!!!
regards to all
J6T
one of them told me that they regularly got/get medi vac flights in from those nice places in the world that our boys and girls are fighting in, and they are almost sworn to secrecy when they are arriving/who is on board etc etc.....
it was the same when i was there! a trooping flight would be parked up at some remote side of the airport and it seemed to me that the coaches bringing/picking them up would almost sneak in like some unwanted disease and off they went to where they were heading!! BUT........................
when someone famous turned up, same corner of airfield, but almost a fanfare as they arrived.... i know for certain that a certain group of charitable soccer players arrived a few weeks back, they were caught on the ramp smoking!!!!!! but i have it on good authority that no one 'important' said anything as they didn't want to upset them....
it sort of brings it back to a post earlier..... the press, and maybe even the public(although there is one or two on here that i will distance from that comment) would rather hear about some pop star/footballer/celebrity's everyday life than someone else who has risked or for that matter lost theirs!!
the society we live in is all wrong, we pamper to the WRONG people, i have noticed in the last 48 hrs the complete lack of moronic idiots walking around draped in the george cross! where have they all gone?? i thought that they were english/british and proud of it!! i would be interested to see how 'patriotic' they really are and issue them with a challenge.... change places with the next poor soul tasked with yet another tour in some god forsaken place, and wear that flag with pride.............................. WHAT NO TAKERS??? TOO SCARED OF LOSING YOUR EASY, BENEFIT FUNDED LIFESTYLE EH?? THOUGH SO!!!
oh well the tabloids must really be in a bind to find space for the next installment of WAGS or which pop star is smoking what, because some soldier has got himself killed, somewhere or other.... but we need the space in the paper!!!
tigs, i hope that all them e-mails have some sort of effect with alton towers etc.... the yanks do put us to shame in some respects......
also i remember talking to a 'hostie' once at the airport that was about to go pick up some squaddies from somewhere.. i asked her if she had a problem with it, ie what flights were best club 18-30 drunken idiots, or sqn/regt x??
her answer was fairly simple.... " i TRY not to bend down too much, as it seems like 200 sex starved sets of eyes are staring at me constantly, but as long as they get a beer or two i would take them over said drunken idiots anyday!!!!"
ok rant over.... or is it????
tigs i see you have a loved one away at the mo? hope she is ok and keeping well! tell her i (and i think that i can talk for others on here) think what she is doing is very commendable, brave and i am in awe at her and her friends!!
tell her that no matter how hard things get, there is ALWAYS people back in britain who would support them no matter what!!!!
regards to all
J6T
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i think that we forget that not all people are in agreement with the papers, the political do gooders and those in this country who hide theirselves away from what is going on around them.....
what winds me up is that our troops are in a sort of catch 22 system! you would of thought that in an 'almost' ideal world it would be a case of... thanks for risking your life out there...here is a few weeks off to catch up on things with your family and friends... don't forget to use your voucher to get the fortnights holiday to somehere you can top up your tan and NOT get shot at... but instead it's a case of.... don't hand your kit back in, you will need it again in six months... oh never mind it was only xmas you missed, but whilst you are waiting can you pop over to..... well you get my drift....
these boys and girls should be treated like hero's when they set foot back in this country...
isn't it amazing how much 'passion' an american commercial for beer can bring out in people???
the poster earlier is correct about the british mentality of kicking the backside out of any sort of discount the military would get!! it's a shame but unfortunately true.... the painted picture of the parachute regiment in the business class lounge has me roaring with laughter... you are right my friend, i think they would behave like gentlemen, until some stuffy businessman told them to take their feet of the chairs and to talk a little quieter.. then the fun would begin..... ring side tickets anyone??????
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J6T
what winds me up is that our troops are in a sort of catch 22 system! you would of thought that in an 'almost' ideal world it would be a case of... thanks for risking your life out there...here is a few weeks off to catch up on things with your family and friends... don't forget to use your voucher to get the fortnights holiday to somehere you can top up your tan and NOT get shot at... but instead it's a case of.... don't hand your kit back in, you will need it again in six months... oh never mind it was only xmas you missed, but whilst you are waiting can you pop over to..... well you get my drift....
these boys and girls should be treated like hero's when they set foot back in this country...
isn't it amazing how much 'passion' an american commercial for beer can bring out in people???
the poster earlier is correct about the british mentality of kicking the backside out of any sort of discount the military would get!! it's a shame but unfortunately true.... the painted picture of the parachute regiment in the business class lounge has me roaring with laughter... you are right my friend, i think they would behave like gentlemen, until some stuffy businessman told them to take their feet of the chairs and to talk a little quieter.. then the fun would begin..... ring side tickets anyone??????
regards
J6T
This uniform thing is the same at Chillwell for reservists - you're ok walking around a service station in uniform on the way there from Brize, but when you are picked up by unit transport, to be taken straight home, you have to be in civvies, (though must admit I just took off the shirt to get out of the gate) The danger is, out of sight, out of mind and no-one will even think of it as a career. There was someone about a year ago produced GB stickers with a yellow ribbon around containing the caption Support Our Troops - unfortunately didn't catch on.
That was a great ad - made my spine tingle watching it.
That was a great ad - made my spine tingle watching it.
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their was a video knocking about with a tribute to an american families lost son.... now that did have my goose bumps raised...
can't remember when i last saw the VERY unfortunate sight of the rear of a C-17 being unloaded with 'our' heroes!! maybe it's not happening anymore! but i suppose the world cup AND big brother have been on!!!!!
can't remember when i last saw the VERY unfortunate sight of the rear of a C-17 being unloaded with 'our' heroes!! maybe it's not happening anymore! but i suppose the world cup AND big brother have been on!!!!!
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Originally Posted by GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU
I had the joy of attending a meeting in Abbey Wood last week. In one of the tree house cafes, there was a Sqn Ldr aircrew type in DPM rig and special non reflective boots. Perhaps the airlines are saving us from JS uniforms regs. That said; doesn't explain the requirement for plain clothes on the Timmy down to MPA.
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Thanks lads. Now I cast my mind back, past all those beers (year 2000 to present), that was the reason. It may be heresy but DPM never actually felt like a uniform; and on some, it never actually looked like one either!
G B Z
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Just a thought; I wonder if it's the en route diversion aspect that's the driver to this thread? I can imagine a few countries in N. Africa/ Middle East where a UK serviceman might not be a welcome sight. Anybody got a definite on that?
G B Z
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Just a thought; I wonder if it's the en route diversion aspect that's the driver to this thread? I can imagine a few countries in N. Africa/ Middle East where a UK serviceman might not be a welcome sight. Anybody got a definite on that?
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Went to Florida in May this year and took advantage of the Sea World free military entry, saving a whopping $260 {beats 10% at cotswold camping} for a family of five and we even got "Here's to the Hero's" wrist bands but the reception in the Shamu stadium was amazing! we had just got settled in the soak zone when they played the advert with US servicemen in the gulf and one of the staff asked any serving millitary personnel and thier families from any nation, to stand up and receive thanks from the crowd! i was so gob smacked from the crowd clapping and cheering i was unable to stand up! quess we are just not used to being thanked.
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In times gone by, when we had to wear civvies on RAF trooping flights in case of en-route diversion there was a reason. For example, our French 'friends' didn't permit military overflights so AscotXXX masqueraded as a civlian flight. A UK airport and domestic flights etc. don't come anywhere near the unwelcome diversion rule. Its home, its our country and our military. I'm pleased, not to say proud to see servicemen out and about in uniform and I'm sure that the majority of people are too.
In any case, is it actually legal for servicemen to be out and about in disguise?
In any case, is it actually legal for servicemen to be out and about in disguise?
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I have also enjoyed free entry in to Seaworld - in San Diego. I thought the short film at the shamu show about their troops was a bit over the top but the reaction afterwards was amazing. The 'Heros' were asked to stand up and got a full on ovation. More of that please!
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Originally Posted by johno617tonka
can't remember when i last saw the VERY unfortunate sight of the rear of a C-17 being unloaded with 'our' heroes!! maybe it's not happening anymore! but i suppose the world cup AND big brother have been on!!!!!
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Swinging Monkey hits the nail squarly on the head when he asks 'why are the higher echelons of the services not standing up to this?' So come on 'your airships' tell us why
I agree that the Americans do often go 'over the top' with this patriotism stuff, but I would rarther have that, than what we (don't) have in this country. Why can our Armed Forces NOT be seen in public in uniform? Are the government or those high up so ashamed of them? It is utterly deplorable, and as an ex serviceman I am extremely annoyed and disgusted that it has got to this point now. BEagle is right also, there is NO way the Iron lady (bless her) would have allowed her service men and women to be treated is such a manner.
It never ceases to amaze me to what lengths this government will go to show the world what 'good eggs' they all are, helping those in Africa, debt relief here, more aid there. IMHO its high time we started to look after those a bit closer to home, starting with our armed forces men and women, who provide the cover for the likes of Bliar and that fat deputy of his.
My heartiest best wishes to all our serving (and ex) Forces personnel.
The Winco
I agree that the Americans do often go 'over the top' with this patriotism stuff, but I would rarther have that, than what we (don't) have in this country. Why can our Armed Forces NOT be seen in public in uniform? Are the government or those high up so ashamed of them? It is utterly deplorable, and as an ex serviceman I am extremely annoyed and disgusted that it has got to this point now. BEagle is right also, there is NO way the Iron lady (bless her) would have allowed her service men and women to be treated is such a manner.
It never ceases to amaze me to what lengths this government will go to show the world what 'good eggs' they all are, helping those in Africa, debt relief here, more aid there. IMHO its high time we started to look after those a bit closer to home, starting with our armed forces men and women, who provide the cover for the likes of Bliar and that fat deputy of his.
My heartiest best wishes to all our serving (and ex) Forces personnel.
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Just had a thought, maybe the powers that be dont want us in uniform out in public just in case it offends any of our migratory friends. Would make sense as charity shops were asked to remove Christmas decs for the very same reason.
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The relevant bit from RAF Dress Regs is
I don't know why there are 2 sub-para ds and no sub-para e.
And yes, it is sad that I know where the regs are.
Wearing of Uniform in Public (UK) (QR 199)
0110. All RAF personnel at UK units should normally wear civilian clothes when they are not required for duty. However, unless otherwise ordered, No 1 and No 2 uniform modes may be worn routinely in public, on public transport, on foot or in private transport. This ruling must take into account security implications and a commonsense approach to local situations. The remaining paragraphs of this Chap also detail particular situations when uniform can and cannot be worn. Local orders, i.e. SSOs, SRO’s, etc, will detail current circumstances regarding the wearing of uniform. Uniform is not to be worn on the following occasions:
a. When participating in non-Service parades (e.g. on Remembrance Day, Battle of Britain Day, etc) serving officers are forbidden to wear uniform if conditions require them to appear in the ranks with serving or ex-Service personnel below commissioned rank. This does not preclude the wearing of uniform by those officiating at a saluting base or appearing officially with a party of civic officials.
b. Uniform is not to be worn by prospective or adopted parliamentary candidates at political meetings, or while canvassing, appearing in public or engaged in any other activities connected with their candidature.
c. Uniform is not to be worn at functions where fancy dress is worn; the wearing of uniform of obsolete design, which is clearly distinguishable from the pattern currently worn, is, however, permitted.
d. Uniform is not to be worn by personnel engaged in temporary or part-time civil employment or while seeking such employment.
d. When visiting Public Houses or places of entertainment and/or consuming alcohol, unless at a recognised Service function or when officially representing the Service at an external function.
f. Relaxed Dress. There may be occasions when a relaxed form of dress is appropriate, such as in DOR activities. Any Commanders proposing to initiate a relaxed dress policy is to obtain formal approval from the Chairman of the Dress Policy Committee.[
0110. All RAF personnel at UK units should normally wear civilian clothes when they are not required for duty. However, unless otherwise ordered, No 1 and No 2 uniform modes may be worn routinely in public, on public transport, on foot or in private transport. This ruling must take into account security implications and a commonsense approach to local situations. The remaining paragraphs of this Chap also detail particular situations when uniform can and cannot be worn. Local orders, i.e. SSOs, SRO’s, etc, will detail current circumstances regarding the wearing of uniform. Uniform is not to be worn on the following occasions:
a. When participating in non-Service parades (e.g. on Remembrance Day, Battle of Britain Day, etc) serving officers are forbidden to wear uniform if conditions require them to appear in the ranks with serving or ex-Service personnel below commissioned rank. This does not preclude the wearing of uniform by those officiating at a saluting base or appearing officially with a party of civic officials.
b. Uniform is not to be worn by prospective or adopted parliamentary candidates at political meetings, or while canvassing, appearing in public or engaged in any other activities connected with their candidature.
c. Uniform is not to be worn at functions where fancy dress is worn; the wearing of uniform of obsolete design, which is clearly distinguishable from the pattern currently worn, is, however, permitted.
d. Uniform is not to be worn by personnel engaged in temporary or part-time civil employment or while seeking such employment.
d. When visiting Public Houses or places of entertainment and/or consuming alcohol, unless at a recognised Service function or when officially representing the Service at an external function.
f. Relaxed Dress. There may be occasions when a relaxed form of dress is appropriate, such as in DOR activities. Any Commanders proposing to initiate a relaxed dress policy is to obtain formal approval from the Chairman of the Dress Policy Committee.[
And yes, it is sad that I know where the regs are.
The ISK transit
Oh to get the chance to go through a civvy airport. On a slightly different but related topic.
Air and ground crews from ISK transiting too and from the lands of sand, get the pleasure of travelling to and from Timmy's home by coach. At the beginning and end of the deployment they have to endure a 12-14 hour bus journey. The reason is not because of the large gathering of service men and women in one place but...........cost! Before the journey commences all concerned have to change into civvies to comply with "the regulations".
The cost of the coaches is many thousands of pounds, but "they" claim it is cheaper because Easy Jet or BA would charge a large amount of excess baggage, and the Service would have to pay for full price tickets to maintain the flexibility in case of delay.
Of course the country values its military.
Shadwell
Air and ground crews from ISK transiting too and from the lands of sand, get the pleasure of travelling to and from Timmy's home by coach. At the beginning and end of the deployment they have to endure a 12-14 hour bus journey. The reason is not because of the large gathering of service men and women in one place but...........cost! Before the journey commences all concerned have to change into civvies to comply with "the regulations".
The cost of the coaches is many thousands of pounds, but "they" claim it is cheaper because Easy Jet or BA would charge a large amount of excess baggage, and the Service would have to pay for full price tickets to maintain the flexibility in case of delay.
Of course the country values its military.
Shadwell