Whose Stupid Idea Was this??
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Originally Posted by The Helpful Stacker
Strange how us knuckle-dragging F&L stackers can tell the difference between OX26 and OM15 when we issue it to sections but the highly-trained folk with fat wallets we give it to can't.
The station I'm at even handed out posters (produced through DFC West Moors I believe) to help those poor souls work it out. Bless.
Of course its never the fault of the line swine just those damned stackers again, expecting techies to interrupt their game of ping pong to actually RTFL.
Never assume, check.
The station I'm at even handed out posters (produced through DFC West Moors I believe) to help those poor souls work it out. Bless.
Of course its never the fault of the line swine just those damned stackers again, expecting techies to interrupt their game of ping pong to actually RTFL.
Never assume, check.
I don't care how easy the label is to read - Any small thing that has a positive impact on flight safety particularly in these days of high pressure ops and reduced manpower is clearly worthwhile. Every safety feature put in place dramatically reduces the risk of a mistake/accident.
How many times have the wrong spares been delivered because someone didn't read the label!!!
Go and find something less important on which to get your cheap snipes at the techies.
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RTFL???
Yeah ok, except you'll notice from one of the posters doing the rounds at the moment, that there's a problem with the labels peeling off (it used to be painted on, but they discovered there's still a large rainforest to get rid of). Of course, in this case everyone will just throw the can away as an 'unknown' won't they? Except for the thousands of guys who have 'grown up' with the cans being a certain shape etc etc. Remember one of the 'dirty dozen' human factors is "Norms". We're not exactly helping ourselves here are we?
Yeah ok, except you'll notice from one of the posters doing the rounds at the moment, that there's a problem with the labels peeling off (it used to be painted on, but they discovered there's still a large rainforest to get rid of). Of course, in this case everyone will just throw the can away as an 'unknown' won't they? Except for the thousands of guys who have 'grown up' with the cans being a certain shape etc etc. Remember one of the 'dirty dozen' human factors is "Norms". We're not exactly helping ourselves here are we?
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Rugmuncher
do you actually know what the term 'Chav' actually means?? I would love to know what you think it is, as everybody is now using it and it(the term) comes from the the public school my son attends. What does it mean rugmuncher??
do you actually know what the term 'Chav' actually means?? I would love to know what you think it is, as everybody is now using it and it(the term) comes from the the public school my son attends. What does it mean rugmuncher??
Originally Posted by Tigs2
Rugmuncher
do you actually know what the term 'Chav' actually means?? I would love to know what you think it is, as everybody is now using it and it(the term) comes from the the public school my son attends. What does it mean rugmuncher??
do you actually know what the term 'Chav' actually means?? I would love to know what you think it is, as everybody is now using it and it(the term) comes from the the public school my son attends. What does it mean rugmuncher??
Do you take offence at the fact that your son has a peugot 206 with an OM-15 can for an exhaust or because he is a "cheltenham average" and is being labelled as "white trash" because urban language in the UK has now taken the term "chav" to mean something else.
Put the word into Google and you will read the meaning I was using, and not referring to some public school boy with a father who seems blinkered to modern day lifestyle.
Perhaps you can explain what YOU understand the term "chav" to mean?
Maybe a good idea for a thread in JB "what is a chav?"
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I had no problem at all. It was a perfectly innocent question, which appears to have recieved a vitriolic reply.I was just asking you what you thought it meant. 'Cheltenham Average' absolutely correct. And why did my question lead you to state that i am blinkered to modern lifestyle
I had no problem at all. It was a perfectly innocent question, which appears to have recieved a vitriolic reply.I was just asking you what you thought it meant. 'Cheltenham Average' absolutely correct. And why did my question lead you to state that i am blinkered to modern lifestyle
"it(the term) comes from the the public school my son attends."
" 'Cheltenham Average' absolutely correct"
So are you saying then that your son is a "chav" in the modern sense of the word, ie, wears burberry, drives a ****e car, and wears bling jewellery from Argos, or his he merely "Cheltenham Average".
From Wikipedia:
".Another commonly cited false etymology derives the word from Cheltenham Ladies' College. Here, it is claimed, the term was coined from the words "Cheltenham Average" (Ch-av), used by the young women of the school to describe less desirable young men of the town [6]."
http://www.getlippy.com/play/quizzes/chavquiz/
Either way, back to the thread topic,,, if OM-15 is decanted into a "juniper rig" by a GE maintainer/tool controller, then surely it doesn't matter a bit about what shape, size, colour of can it comes in.
" 'Cheltenham Average' absolutely correct"
So are you saying then that your son is a "chav" in the modern sense of the word, ie, wears burberry, drives a ****e car, and wears bling jewellery from Argos, or his he merely "Cheltenham Average".
From Wikipedia:
".Another commonly cited false etymology derives the word from Cheltenham Ladies' College. Here, it is claimed, the term was coined from the words "Cheltenham Average" (Ch-av), used by the young women of the school to describe less desirable young men of the town [6]."
http://www.getlippy.com/play/quizzes/chavquiz/
Either way, back to the thread topic,,, if OM-15 is decanted into a "juniper rig" by a GE maintainer/tool controller, then surely it doesn't matter a bit about what shape, size, colour of can it comes in.
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I recall in the good ol' days that OX26, OX27 and OX38 all came in identical containers with only the label differentiating. Now most would say that is not a problem, except of course it is- these lubricants are all produced to seperate specifications for a damn good reason, but no contributor so far has acknowledged that. OX38 has more or less disappeared now I think due to its cost. The point is I recall working on a unit where all 3 where available. There were systems in place to prevent the misuse of one in place of another. Our tradesmen are professional. Let's give them the chance to be, they can read, segregation and labelling of risbridgers is possible as is effective tool control. Granted on Ops things may be strained, but I have to ask who is managing normal UK flying ops. Is pressure being self generated? Is anyone prepared to say 'Stop and Check'? If the 'frame is not ready in the morning and work was stopped for safety reasons I know who I would be trusting, both as a worker and an operator. Just my take on these things.
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Rugmuncher
Clearly as anyone will read that is not what was meant at all. You are a rude chap in the extreme , please ponder on your out of order comments.
Infact this was edited because of what you said rugmuncher you are in fact a w****r
Clearly as anyone will read that is not what was meant at all. You are a rude chap in the extreme , please ponder on your out of order comments.
Infact this was edited because of what you said rugmuncher you are in fact a w****r
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Even in the days of different shaped tins I still had some daft tw@t put OM15 into a herc engine instead of the prescribed OX27. At least he owned up to his mistake and showed some integrity, something lacking somewhat in our illustrious leaders. Didn't stop said individual having the pi$$ ripped out of him for the rest of the shift though.
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hey thought i would stick my humble opinion in seen as am getting ready to start a swing shift at 12am tonight
firstly yes we should all RTFL , however at 4am when you are getting sleepy (and no amount of sleep during the day stops u feeling like you want to sleep) on potentially a cold wet dark pan, its a very easy mistake to make, and anyone who hasnt done a late night/early morning BF feel free to join me. I know there have been two incidents already on my squadron with cross contamination. Secondly we have been told it wasnt a safety feature to have round tins? well if it wasnt designed to be it should have been continued with for just that reason, maybe the MoD could have used the savings on the 3 inch of OM-15 unuasble (the OM15 risbridgers have a shorter pipe than OX26) in each can could have been used to have a contract to keep the tins round.even widely differing coloured tins say dayglo orange and BRIGHT green would be a idea , then it would be "in your face" . My idea is to put to POL cabinets at each end of the HAS annex, each painted diffrent colours, at least then the liney would need to make a concious decision to go to eaither one locker of the other.
firstly yes we should all RTFL , however at 4am when you are getting sleepy (and no amount of sleep during the day stops u feeling like you want to sleep) on potentially a cold wet dark pan, its a very easy mistake to make, and anyone who hasnt done a late night/early morning BF feel free to join me. I know there have been two incidents already on my squadron with cross contamination. Secondly we have been told it wasnt a safety feature to have round tins? well if it wasnt designed to be it should have been continued with for just that reason, maybe the MoD could have used the savings on the 3 inch of OM-15 unuasble (the OM15 risbridgers have a shorter pipe than OX26) in each can could have been used to have a contract to keep the tins round.even widely differing coloured tins say dayglo orange and BRIGHT green would be a idea , then it would be "in your face" . My idea is to put to POL cabinets at each end of the HAS annex, each painted diffrent colours, at least then the liney would need to make a concious decision to go to eaither one locker of the other.
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Originally Posted by fightingchickenplumb
however at 4am . . . on potentially a cold wet dark pan, its a very easy mistake to make, . . .
My idea is to put to POL cabinets at each end of the HAS annex, each painted diffrent colours, at least then the liney would need to make a concious decision to go to eaither one locker of the other.
Myself I recall we had mis-identification in the 'good old days'(TM) as well. Used to happen, does happen and will happen for ever more.
Anyway, aren't all cans now square because it makes them easier to stack?
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I don't think anyone can reasonably argue against the fact that the more layering of oil container identity by size shape and colour, the less mistakes will be made by the weakish link in any aviation process: the human. We've all accidentally spooned the sugar into the kettle/emptied the milk into the sink. It's cognitive failure. That's why experienced pilots will land with the gear up and techies will stick the wrong oil down the wrong hole. Whoever presided over the change of contract that introduced a change of container should really have seen it coming. Unless of course, they were a beancounter who had no idea of how the moneysaving scheme would impact the shopfloor.
It reminds me of the old maxim that starts off with the coal face describing something as a 'crock of sh*t', and by the time the description has reached top management, it's 'a glistening masterpiece of solid gold'.
It reminds me of the old maxim that starts off with the coal face describing something as a 'crock of sh*t', and by the time the description has reached top management, it's 'a glistening masterpiece of solid gold'.
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You have been talking about oils, colours, and words as if RTFL is the answer.
Well of course no one ever mixed up the nitrogen trolley, air trolley or oxygen trolley did they?
Well of course no one ever mixed up the nitrogen trolley, air trolley or oxygen trolley did they?
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator
You have been talking about oils, colours, and words as if RTFL is the answer.
Well of course no one ever mixed up the nitrogen trolley, air trolley or oxygen trolley did they?
Well of course no one ever mixed up the nitrogen trolley, air trolley or oxygen trolley did they?
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Trust me, it has been done every which way. Man's ingenuity to achieve a c*ck*p is unbounded.